Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


33BHP MOTORCYCLE RESTRICTION CERTIFICATE , Any Good ?

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat Goto page 1, 2  Next
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

Dannyzxr400
Derestricted Danger



Joined: 19 May 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:47 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: 33BHP MOTORCYCLE RESTRICTION CERTIFICATE , Any Good ? Reply with quote

Hello there, am 18 just past me theory done few lessons and will be doing my practical test soon , i have bought myself a ZXR400, but it needs restricting to 33bhp, but iv heard that the garages charge a hefty price for doing so, so iv found a few options which are cheaper but need your approval to see if there any good,

I was searching ebay and found a guy who made these certificates for £20, you give your bikes model, registration number, frame number and engine number. and you get to cerificates , one for you and one for the insurance. iv read some of the feedback of other people who have bought them and they all say its good a++, you think possible it will Con the insurance ? Cool

Another is buying a restriction kit of ebay for £20-30 , fitting it yourself and getting it dyno'd to say its 33bhp and send the Dyno print out to the insurance?

Cheer's Danny Thumbs Up
____________________
Previous : Aprilia rs 77 ( Crashed ) , Some Crappy 100cc Scooter (sorry) to keep my going.
Now: The Green Machine - ZXR 400 64 BHP : )
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

t121anf
World Chat Champion



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:53 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

consensus seems to be that there is no legal requirement for a certificate and that any you get is just a bit of paper.

also unless dynoed you are safe.

i'd only bother if my insurance firm asked for one and if i was a twat/looked like a twat who was likely to get pulled by the cops (at 17/18 you can defo see the twat in me lol)
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Kickstart
The Oracle



Joined: 04 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:54 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Legally there is no need for any certificate. Some insurance companies insist, others don't care. All the law requires is that the bike is under 25kW (33hp), but is so badly worded that no proof is required.

As such a forged certificate might help a bit, but might get you into more trouble should you land up giving it to the police (who know it has no legal standing, and could insist it is tested).

Legally a 2nd hand kit fitted by yourself is just as good as a brand new kit fitted by a dealer at 10 times the price.

All the best

Keith
____________________
Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Knacker
World Chat Champion



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:00 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

give me your registration colour and engine size of the bike and I'll make you 1 for £15 free postage LOL
____________________
Current: Gsxr 600 Srad - GS125 - DT125
Previous: K1 GSXR 1000
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Dannyzxr400
Derestricted Danger



Joined: 19 May 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:05 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you actually make one mate cause id buy one , saves alot of money Smile Thumbs Up
____________________
Previous : Aprilia rs 77 ( Crashed ) , Some Crappy 100cc Scooter (sorry) to keep my going.
Now: The Green Machine - ZXR 400 64 BHP : )
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Kickstart
The Oracle



Joined: 04 Feb 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:12 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dannyzxr400 wrote:
Can you actually make one mate cause id buy one , saves alot of money Smile Thumbs Up


Do a search and you will find an attachment to a post somewhere which is a Word template for a dodgy certificate.

All the best

Keith
____________________
Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Rustle
Nova Slayer



Joined: 28 Aug 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:12 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any pics? Very Happy

When I got my ZXR it had an old kit with it so I got it fitted. Haven't got a certificate though because FI only supply one with a brand new kit. Insurance never asked for one.
____________________
Test Passed 29/01/09 - Restriction Ends - 29/01/11
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

lllN30lll
World Chat Champion



Joined: 12 Jun 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:16 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

[This post has been removed at the request of Trading Standards, East Sussex County Council]
____________________
Turbo R1
CRF450R
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

The Disapproving Brit
World Chat Champion



Joined: 10 Sep 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:44 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Re: 33BHP MOTORCYCLE RESTRICTION CERTIFICATE , Any Good ? Reply with quote

As said, a blagged cert is only useful to get insurance - the sort of plod who are aware of restrictions are also aware that the certificates mean sod all. Bear in mind that falsely claiming to be restricted to get insurance is fraud, and if you present a forged cert you're killing any defence of ignorance ("I just went with the default options when I got my quote") you might have had, so a safer bet is an insurer who doesn't ask.

Personally, I'd scupper the engine and get it a dyno cert (I think it involves taking out one of the spark plugs but someone will confirm) which shows the bike putting out less than 33bhp. That'll be a legitimate cert for the time it was tested, which will serve most purposes.

Also, don't bother getting more than TPFT cover if you're not going to be restricted - its pointless. If you're fully comp, your insurer will likely refuse to cover damage to your bike when it transpires that its not restricted (and when its time for them to pay you, they suddenly become far more vigilant about that kind of thing).

Theft cover is OK if you did the aforementioned dyno run, since if recovered you can show that it only put out 33bhp at some point before it was stolen.

Third party cover is unaffected regardless of restriction (the law requires the insurer to provide at least this level of cover as long as you have a policy), although if you have an accident that the insurer decides wouldn't have happened had the bike been restricted, they may require you to reimburse them for anything they have to pay out
____________________
Current Bikes: 1983 Honda VF400FD / 2003 Honda VT750 Shadow
Bike Test Passed 18/03/09, Car Test Passed 14/05/13
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

ms51ves3
Super Spammer



Joined: 07 Jun 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:43 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

lllN30lll wrote:
or you can edit this blank FI document.

add your own details.

and stop eBay from robbing people Thumbs Up


I wonder who made that certificate? Wink
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Dannyzxr400
Derestricted Danger



Joined: 19 May 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:45 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

On this genuine restriction certificate, Do i just make up any garage i got it from , and also the 'F.I.International Ltd. Copy
Certificate number: FIC 12345' is on the certificate, do i leave the number as it or do make one up ??? and it wont let me post a picture of my bike it keeps removing itself :S
____________________
Previous : Aprilia rs 77 ( Crashed ) , Some Crappy 100cc Scooter (sorry) to keep my going.
Now: The Green Machine - ZXR 400 64 BHP : )
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

ms51ves3
Super Spammer



Joined: 07 Jun 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:03 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make a number up, make a garage up. The details that are in there are just examples.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

SlimRick
World Chat Champion



Joined: 29 Sep 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 20:02 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

[This post has been removed at the request of Trading Standards, East Sussex County Council]
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Dannyzxr400
Derestricted Danger



Joined: 19 May 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:00 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was wondering what to right in the : Dealer Ref: ABC1 : on the restriction certificate , could i just put ' TYD5' do i have to put three Letters and then a number?

Thanks Danny
____________________
Previous : Aprilia rs 77 ( Crashed ) , Some Crappy 100cc Scooter (sorry) to keep my going.
Now: The Green Machine - ZXR 400 64 BHP : )
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

jack_zxr400
World Chat Champion



Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:32 - 19 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the insurance company probably wont even ask

they didnt for me
____________________
Previous Bike: ZXR 400
Current Bike: R6
Test Date: 8/8/2008-PASSED
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

khoock
Renault 5 Driver



Joined: 30 Sep 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 05:07 - 20 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

One: You do not need a certificate
Two: Forging a certificate will get you in to deep doodoo if you use it in any way, shape or form

Why are you on BCF asking for a hand with the shovel? Very Happy
____________________
A left and a right. A left. Another left and right. An uppercut to the jaw. The fight was over. And so the ranch was saved. The young intern sat by himself in one corner of the coffee shop. He had learned about medicine, but more importantly, he had learned something about life. THE END
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

riichy
World Chat Champion



Joined: 12 Apr 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:07 - 20 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

Legally there is no need for any certificate. Some insurance companies insist, others don't care. All the law requires is that the bike is under 25kW (33hp), but is so badly worded that no proof is required.

As such a forged certificate might help a bit, but might get you into more trouble should you land up giving it to the police (who know it has no legal standing, and could insist it is tested).

Legally a 2nd hand kit fitted by yourself is just as good as a brand new kit fitted by a dealer at 10 times the price.

All the best

Keith


Like Keith says there is no legal requirement to produce a restriction certificate, however if the bobby (eg traffic bobby) is wise to the 33bhp restriction he could seize your bike to be tested. If it’s tested and found not to have them you’re looking at (driving not in accordance with your licence and subsequently no insurance.

Fortunately most bobbies don’t have a clue lol Thumbs Up happy days
____________________
.......... PLOD ............ zx636 2004
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Dannyzxr400
Derestricted Danger



Joined: 19 May 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 20:10 - 20 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one cheer's Cool
____________________
Previous : Aprilia rs 77 ( Crashed ) , Some Crappy 100cc Scooter (sorry) to keep my going.
Now: The Green Machine - ZXR 400 64 BHP : )
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

yuri2085
World Chat Champion



Joined: 05 Jul 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 20:59 - 22 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What grounds do they need to sieze (and test) the bike?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

There is a gap of 6 years, 151 days between these two posts...
l3gion This post is not being displayed because it has a low rating (Redundant). Unhide this post / all posts.

Wonko The Sane
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jan 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:55 - 20 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

l3gion wrote:
Hi all,

Can someone please send me this certificate via pm?

Many thanks


why? <33bhp restriction ended Jan this year, anyone doing their tests after Jan 2013 will be on a different and more permanent restriction (<46) on an A2 licence...
____________________
Looking to pass your CBT / Bike tests in Bury Lancashire? try www.focusridertraining.co.uk Would recommend.
They're also on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/pages/Focus-Rider-Training/196832923734251
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Yorkshire Geek
Scooby Slapper



Joined: 02 Jun 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:58 - 20 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

l3gion wrote:
Hi all,

Can someone please send me this certificate via pm?

Many thanks

You take the risk of an IN10 (no insurance, 6-8 points) and an LC20 (driving other than in accordance with a license, 3-6 points) whether you have a fake certificate or not. If you fake a certificate you're generating evidence for a fraud case on top if (and if you wreck, they will) they ever check.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ste
Not Work Safe



Joined: 01 Sep 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:01 - 20 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A homemade certificate has just as much legal standing as one from FI International. Wink
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

l3gion
L Plate Warrior



Joined: 20 Oct 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:00 - 20 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just need certificate. Im not from UK. If you guys are willing to scan yours for me to modify i would be very happy.

thanks
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:37 - 20 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

l3gion wrote:
Can someone please send me this certificate
Ste wrote:
A homemade certificate has just as much legal standing as one from FI International

Not quite sure what you need it for/intended to do with it Laughing... but for reference and comedy purposes; heres an artists example of the valuable piece of paper that your many pounds, euros, other gold pieces might of bought you from FI International to 'confirm' you were 33bhp'd in the UK.

Blue paper is expensive these days, it seems Thinking.
https://i61.tinypic.com/14ddb4l.jpg


Last edited by -Matt- on 22:46 - 20 Oct 2015; edited 1 time in total
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 9 years, 280 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.08 Sec - Server Load: 1.69 - MySQL Queries: 16 - Page Size: 136.42 Kb