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Posted: 17:20 - 29 Sep 2004 Post subject: |
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You'd firstly have to apply for a V5 with the DVLA with the frame and engine numbers. You'll then need to get it MOT'ed and you could either get a day time only MOT or a full one, for the day time only you would need a rear brake light and rear reflector. You do not need front headlight, rear light or indicators unless you want to get a full MOT. Have a read over this site for all the general MOT requirements.
It costs £38 to register a vehicle with the DVLA. All the details about registering a vehicle are on the DVLA website.
It would also need to be taxed and insured like any other vehicle |
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im on your thinking marc, ive seen so many cheap realible offroad bikes (if looked after), so why not use the extra cash i have to supermoto it and get it on the road |
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Hi
Problem is that these moto cross bikes do not have any way of charging the battery so you land up with a total loss system (so not really practical to fit anything other than the minimun legal lighting). Also I think you need an electric horn and a speedo (and I think you technically need a mile counter).
To get the V5 you will need an MOT.
It is probably best to go for one of the enduro versions of these bikes as these will already have a charging system.
All the best
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Road Registering your SM (updated 13/04/04)
The following information was supplied by various sources over the past year, however I recently (april 04) tried to register an Enduro bike (OK, so it doesn't have dip/main beam lights and brake lights and stuff, but it's not a MX bike!) . It was brand new and an official UK model - but I've been told by the local office that you now *DO* need an SVA test if you are intending to use the bike on the road at all. Otherwise, you can register it as an 'OFF ROAD' bike (there's no reg fee or road tax) and you get a Q-plate....great!! They've obviously wised up to this recently as they are now being very tight on it. Anyone would think they didn't want your money!
So take the information below with a pinch of salt and be prepared for a punch up....
All vehicles being registered for the road now need either 'type aproval' or an expensive Single Vehicle Aproval test (£70-100) - from June 2003....
I have recently been contacted by several people who have managed to road registered their SMs (CR500's etc) by getting an exemption based on the fact the bike is and ENDURO bike (which of course it is - if you leave the big wheels in!).The qualifying criteria for enduro competition machine is a huge seat height and over 310mm ground clearance. Details are on the DVLA web site...When you get to the box for type approval on the V55/5 form you just put in Competition exempt .
According to the DVLA: An Enduro motorcycle is defined as having the following characteristics:-
a) a minimum seat height of 900 mm - AND
b) a minimum ground clearance of 310 mm
If you don't stand your ground may end up with hassle over emissions and all sort of things on the test. (thickness of the mudguards, width of footpegs, glue used to stick the grips on (OK- I was joking about that last one!!.....))
Other items you will need include:
1. Proof of age (unless you want a Q plate). Classic services (0161 775 9567) can do a certificate based on the frame number, they charged about £30 or you can try approaching the importer direct (Honda UK, Kawasaki UK, KTM, etc.) some manufacturers, Kawasaki for instance, don't charge to provide a proof of age.
2. A MOT if the bike is more than 3 years old (quoting the frame number), daylight use only is easy, all you need is a horn (the Megahorn for pushbikes is about £8 from Halford's). This saves any hassle with lights & indicators. Also remember legal tyres & BS193 stamped or engraved on the silencer. A Speedo' is also a legal requirement but not necessary for MOT (£6 for a Sigma push bike one @ Halford's).
If you need a lighting kit (to get your 'full' MOT) Pro Racing come highly recommended: Pro-Racing, 15 Gresley Close, Drayton Fields, Daventry, Northants. NN1 5RZ, England. Tel +44 (0)1327-301322.
3. Insurance, again you can get this based on the frame number.
4. Personal ID!!! (this is a new one as of Jan 2004!!) - If you're going down the local office to register a bike you will need proof of ID....you have to either take your passport down or licence plus a utility bill or a form id to prove where you live!
Then you can:
5. Phone your local vehicle licencing & registration office, tell them what you intend doing & they will send you a form (v55/5 or v55/4). Fill this in, enclose the documents above & fees for tax & registration (if you're doing it by post rather than in person at the local office) & within 7 days they will send you the new tax disc & reg. no.
Useful links: https://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/ (vehicle inspectorate)
https://www.dvla.gov.uk/ (Driver & vehicle licencing association)
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i know this is an old thread, but theres alot of shit in it.
My bike is road registered, no lights atall - PERIOD, a battery horn, cheap pushbike speedo and me numberplate - THATS IT.
Right road registering an off road bike for road use DAYTIME ONLY (Note night time use requires lights - but that aint no fun)
My ktm factory race bike is road registered now - so heres a little heads up on how,
1. i got the bike.
2. i contacted ktm and gave them the frame and engine number, they confirmed what the bike was and sent me a 'certificate of newness'- (also referred to as authenticity cert)
3. next i prepped the bike for daytime mot, road legal tyres, battery powered horn (thanks Beer) and overall good mechanical condition. Flew through .
4. next i insured it through bennets on the frame number - 30 days you have to get a registration number to them i.e. get yourself sorted.
5. went into dvla office (just go in no appointment needed) with a completed v55/5 - tick exempt from type approval (the bike will have to be classed as enduro to skip SVA testing), mot certificate, receipt of purchase, certificate of newness, insurance cover note, photo driving licence oh and i had to complete a vat form. After a chat with a seriously boring woman she booked my bike in for 2 weeks later for inspection .Make sure you stress it is an enduro bike. They retain all your paperwork bar your insurance certficate. I paid for a years tax and the inspection there and then on me switch card - bout' 100 quid.
6. inspection day, the guy checked the engine and frame number, measured the clearence from floor to seat and the distance from floor to underside of engine/frame. My seat eight was 940mm and the floor to engine underside was 300mm. He confirmed if it was an enduro - yes i replied 'a ktm 660 factory supermoto....enduro'
7. 3 days later all my paperwork arrives back + tax disc and letter confirming new registration number and authorisation of number plate purchase letter-logbook pending.
EASY.
Another guideline to be classed as an enduro i believe the seat height has to be a minimum of 925mm and the engine underside to floor 300mm. I just jacked mine right up for the inspection which with a little bit of inventiveness can be done to anything.
Also note a speedo is not an mot requirement or even needed for he inspection but is a legal requirment when riding on the road.
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monkey is spot on ...side by side those MOTs look identical,no wording to say daytime only!!!!! |
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monkeyboy wrote: | ok ok just to put to a close... an mot test satisfying the requirments of using a motorcycle in periods of daylight. |
And also not used in times of reduced visability. However it is an advisory note that it should only be used in daylight hours / OK visability. As such using it at night would, MOT wise, be legal (although a pretty stupid idea and likely to get you done for other offences).
Doesn't avoid the fact that whether you can get it through an MOT or not that is seperate from whether it complies with construction and use regulations (which insist on a rear position lamp, which then renders the other lights compulsory). Exactly the same as having an exhaust that the MOT tester allows through but which could see you prosecuted by the police if they were in a bad mood, or even the speedo which you noted is not an MOT requirement but is legally required.
monkeyboy wrote: | This is commonly known as a DAYTIME MOT because it is only valid in daylight hours. But then if anyone does a search on www.visordown.com or www.ktmforum.co.uk where people do this all the time (me included) they would know this. |
Might be commonly known as this, but there is strictly no such things. It is just an MOT with an advisory notice. People commonly do lots of things and get away with it (whether that is putting off road bikes on the road, or riding full power bikes on a 33hp licence), but that doesn't make it legal.
Yes I might be being slightly picky, but then I would rather not see people blindly follow advice thinking they are safe when they could easily be prosecuted. I don't really care if people can fiddle in on the road and choose to use it, as long as they know the situation they are putting themselves into.
All the best
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Kickstart wrote: | Might be commonly known as this, but there is strictly no such things. It is just an MOT with an advisory notice. People commonly do lots of things and get away with it (whether that is putting off road bikes on the road, or riding full power bikes on a 33hp licence), but that doesn't make it legal.
Yes I might be being slightly picky, but then I would rather not see people blindly follow advice thinking they are safe when they could easily be prosecuted. I don't really care if people can fiddle in on the road and choose to use it, as long as they know the situation they are putting themselves into. |
Well said, Keith.
The myth of the "Daytime MoT" is perhaps the most misunderstood thing in the world of motorcycling. You either have passed a MoT test or you haven't. End of story.
It crops up time and time again on various forums, but regardless of how often people talk about them or claim to have one, they don't exisit. Bit like the fabled "red mercury" (STFW!) that terrorists try and buy.
Strictly speaking, by writing "Daytime Only" or similar on the certificate the tester has spoilt the certificate by defacing it - although it would be a picky traffic cop to deem your certificate invalid because of it.
The MoT requirements and the Road Traffic Act sometimes conflict - for example you must have a working speedo on your 'bike, but this is not a MoT requirement.
But back to the original question: Yes, you can make an off-road 'bike legally useable on the road, but the effort and compromises required means that it's probably not worth it.
HTH ____________________ Change is inevitable - except from a vending machine.
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yeah well said poppets
well to the rest of this country a 'daytime mot' is a reality, ive actually got one! albeit its for a unicorn...but thats not the point.
Any peeps looking in it is worth road registering off road bikes, it is very easy and if you follow the steps you'll succeed.
Comeon..theres nowt beter than riding a bike not meant/produced for road use....make ya mind up.
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monkeyboy wrote: | yeah well said poppets
well to the rest of this country a 'daytime mot' is a reality, ive actually got one! albeit its for a unicorn...but thats not the point.
Any peeps looking in it is worth road registering off road bikes, it is very easy and if you follow the steps you'll succeed.
Comeon..theres nowt beter than riding a bike not meant/produced for road use....make ya mind up.
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Its a reality only as a severe bending of the MOT rules by following the strict MOT guidelines to the letter. There is no official daytime MOT setup, there is no official way of getting a civil servant to tell you about 'daytime MOT'.
It isn't within the spirit of the law but strictly speaking its legal as far as the MOT goes. There are other rules which govern what state your bike needs to be in to be on the road, and these are called 'construction and use' rules.
If you break these (which you will be unless you have a headlight etc on a bike newer than 1936 or something) then you are liable for prosecution by the police.
What Kickstart is saying is: You may be able to convince your MOT tester to obey the rules in the strictest possible way because of the way they are worded, but it doesn't make your bike road legal, and a copper who really knows his stuff (they are few and far between) will prosecute you for riding it in that state.
Its the difference between being within the spirit of the law and the letter of the law, IE bending the rules. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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NAH JUST FUNNY AS FOOK
I do love coming on these forums with peeps who play on words, if anything ya give me a good chuckle!!
pulling teeth?? ya a dentist too?LMFAO!
or is it 'removing teeth'???
Ya know though sweethearts peeps commonly call this 'myth' a 'daytime mot'......sorry about that, if i were you id start a petition at no.10's website or somethin'!
Anyways i would say that anyone wanting to get an 'mot with advisories' done (shhhhhhhhhh people commonly refer to it as daytime mot ) do it!!
I love the race bike look and the plod have never pulled me to date! But dont ride at night with no lights (the mot certificate will say lights n/a - its a hint honest! )
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 16 years, 296 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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