DRZ400? or CCM 404?

[JBurrows88]

I've decided to get a supermoto or traily style bike to have abit of fun on. I still need something that i can cover 2hours riding on when im at uni, but i dont want a big heavy 500/600.

First of all im on a restricted licence. which one 'fits' the restriction better?

I want to do abit of light trailing (v. light) but also will be covering distances and commuting every day (excluding winter due to broken thumb).

I've read G's review on the CCM (but there are no main dealers near me, should that be an issue?)

What about parts. Would ccm have problems with parts?

Any opinions on these bikes adn which ones would suit very light trailing but mostly road riding?. What other ones can i pick up for near 2.5 - 3k.
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[Kiss_My_Rs]

Went for the DRZ400SM....

Why

3 years 0% finance
2 year warranty
1 year breakdown cover.
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[JBurrows88]

Anyone got any opinion on what they are like to ride over a period of time (1-2hours, upto 3hours straight)

The current bike i've got now causes back pain and i cant feel my arse after 1 1/2 hour. Would the DRZ be any better!
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[darkangel]

I believe they are very similar bikes, the ccm 404's have the drz 400 E engine which would make it more powerful then the DRZ S or SM

[G]

I doubt the seat of most slightly serious enduro style bikes will be good for distance.

The CCM is fine if you're moving about, but not great for staying still on. However, you can get gel seats which apparently make it much better.

Any of these bikes shouldn't be that different when restricted.

If a trail style bike is giving you problems, then maybe a different style might be a better choice.

[Kiss_My_Rs]

[JBurrows88]

Im seriously considering buying a DRZ400 (s or sm) as theres a dealer 5mins away from me.

Thanks for advice!
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[G]

[Kiss_My_Rs]

Yeah the E model as hot cams, but they can be bought and fitted with ease.
But offeer very little in performance gains.

Changing the carb is the way forward plus doing a 3x3 mod on the airbox and rejetting to suit.
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[darkangel]

rode with a ccm404 supermoto for a little while today, it looks and sounds good, maybe the style isn't quite as good as those new black drz400SM's but it really depends if you intend to mod your engine, if you want a faster bike go with the ccm

[Kiss_My_Rs]

Mine

https://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m156/Djantty/Image082.jpg
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[darkangel]

i love the look of those black DRz400SM's! if only they had the honda 650R engine in them...

[Kiss_My_Rs]

Looks even better with the edge 2 LED tail light ive put on it

Will get some pics tomoz.
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[JBurrows88]

I cant afford to insure 2 bikes

I was looking at other models and wondering what people think of a restricted xt660?? (they bit more expensive in insurance &bike).


I might only cover the 'odd' motorway journey every 3 months and as for long journeys; the only ones would be up ta scotland with a few of my mates on 125's and every so often around the dales.

The only reason why i'd consider a local dealer is for servicing!!
going to be checking out a few places this weekend, i reckon some would service a CCM and stock parts!
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[G]

Pretty much anywhere will service these bikes.
The XT will be better for distance, but weighs just under 50% more than the CCM, so is in my opinion a rather different bike.
You may not notice a big difference.

With the £2.5- £3k I'm sure you can afford to buy and insure two bikes.

[JBurrows88]

I could really do with a test ride.

The problem is that i've got a restricted license, makes getting a test ride near impossible!!
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[lilredmachine]

The S and E models are totally different and aimed at different markets.

Pre 2003 the S and E had different suspension, after they had the same. Currently the difference stands at:

10+ kilos in weight
About 8 horsepower
Stubby rear subframe on the E (weak, no luggage, no pillions)
No speedo on the E
Carb
Cams
Gasket
No passenger pegs on the E (S uses one as exhaust bracket, so you can't just remove them)
No fan on the E
plastic tank on the E, metal on the S (both tank and locking cap)
Vacuum fuel tap on the S, manual on the s
no rim locks on S
Different OEM gearing, 15/44 S, 14/47 E
E has bigger header pipe

General thumper forum concensus on the matter is that it is easier to roadify the E than it is to muddy the S. The S will always be heavier, though you can definitely pull the power of an E out of an S motor, it just gets expensive quickly. Main issue with the s is that being a dual sport it isn't that marvellous at either, it can't really off road without modification (gearing, tyres) and such change make it a dog on the road.

Only other option is an SM edition, however that has the tyres, brakes and suspension to deal with power, but no power to deal with. Plus it comes with the disadvantage of being even heavier than the S. I've ridden all three bikes, and own a DR350. The 350 would sit next to the SM up to about 70 mph in a drag race, and will wheely easier than the SM. The S is next better, leaving the DR350 a bit behind, and the E flat trounces the 3 other bikes.

My advice?

You want something for the road, find a supermoto converted E model. They come up pretty frequently on E-bay, or do as G did and get a CCM.
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