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Cigaro
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Oxford security stuff Reply with quote

Are the Oxford Titan disklock (£15) and Oxford Big-Fuck-Off-Chain(tm) (£25) from Argos any good? Thinking about buying them for my new bike. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oxford chains are made of mickey-mouse metal. Get an Almax if you want a proper chain.

Or a Progmasis or whatever they're called. Etc.

Oxford are just shite. ?
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oxford chains are made of mickey-mouse metal. Get an Almax if you want a proper chain.

Or a Progmasis or whatever they're called. Etc.

Oxford are just shite. ?

Thumbs Up almax are the more expensive, but both chains are Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an oxford hardcore chain and i think the titan disc lock, there by no means the best their probably the other end of the scale.

Although tbh it's going to stop your day to day chav getting away with the bike, but a more professinal criminal will have it off in seconds.

Oxford stuff is more of just a visual de-terrant rather than a fool-proof security chain. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.therevcounter.com/motorbike-chat/12577-trading-standards-final-conclusion-sold-secure-28-05-08-a.html

Interesting read on 'Sold Secure' products and shitty chains.

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PostPosted: 14:49 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The latest Ride magazine tested a load of chains, and Oxford had both highest scoring ones. None of the chains scored well in general though, even the most expensive (£200 odd) chains only stood up to a few minutes of abuse.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an Oxford chain. It's too light for me to be completely confident in it. But it's enough to keep chavs away which is all I really need it for.

And it's recognised by my insurance too.

Their stuff is ok. If I had an expensive sportsbike I'd be heading for an Almax though.

For my £500 GS500, it's fine.

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PostPosted: 21:23 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a big hardcore chain + the padlock/disklock that came with it.

BUT is it any good? Thinking

...well my bike hasn't been stolen with it on, so must be good Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shatttered a titan rocking the trike backwards and forwards. I'd forgotten that it was on the trike and just thought the brakes were locking.

https://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/Kal_hybrid/Bike/Gear/Titan/100_0749.jpg

I shoved it backwards three times, there was an expensive sounding tinkle and when I eventually got the nerve to look down there it was lying in the middle of the road.

Oxfords response when I advised them was that it wasn't designed for trikes...


I also have one to the oxford gold cable lock things. After 6 months of use it started getting tempratmental about locking and unlocking.

I am much happier with my £20 Mammoth lock I bought from my local Bike school.

https://www.fastbikebits.com/acatalog/mammoth_lock_02.jpg
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wil wrote:
The latest Ride magazine tested a load of chains, and Oxford had both highest scoring ones. None of the chains scored well in general though, even the most expensive (£200 odd) chains only stood up to a few minutes of abuse.


Was Almax chains tested also?

What kind of abuse?

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PostPosted: 16:08 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

p0peye wrote:
Wil wrote:
The latest Ride magazine tested a load of chains, and Oxford had both highest scoring ones. None of the chains scored well in general though, even the most expensive (£200 odd) chains only stood up to a few minutes of abuse.


Was Almax chains tested also?

What kind of abuse?

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Well Almax famously put this vid on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozppzywsLsk

Of course they're a bit biased, but I have one myself and fuck me it's certainly heavy enough to be convincing.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah check out the Almax vids. The ones where the destroy all the major chains with a big boltcutters in around 15-30 seconds is a bit of an eye opener. A squire chain lasted the longest at 63 seconds. Their own Almax one they didn't get through. They claim it's uncroppable. A small angle grinder would get through it tho.

You pay £25 for a big chain, expect £25 worth of materials and workmanship. It's a visual deterent more than a physical one.

The Almax one will cost you much much more and it weighs a fucking ton. Your choice.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used an Oxford Hardcore lock and chain and it seems feeble. The actual lock mechanisms seem pretty flimsy and prone to jamming too.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 31 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a link to the Almax site and their videos:

https://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=19

Oxford Monster is featured and survives 14 seconds

Edit: If you get an Almax chain & lock set I'd suggest buying the Squire Lock one - some insurance companies don't have the other lock in their list of security options
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PostPosted: 06:30 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Yeah check out the Almax vids. The ones where the destroy all the major chains with a big boltcutters in around 15-30 seconds is a bit of an eye opener. A squire chain lasted the longest at 63 seconds. Their own Almax one they didn't get through. They claim it's uncroppable. A small angle grinder would get through it tho.


Well - that is the fact that bothers me. In these years one must not believe all that he is served, otherwise mankind don't differ much from animals... (anyone seen the movie "Wag the Dog"?)
The commercials are often just a scam, and sweet words.
Now, as I said, it bothers me that THEY tried to destroy THEIR own chain and THEY failed. Now - it would be much more convincing if someone else have tried (and failed).
It is definitely obvious that they spent more time making a plan how to cut their Almax chain (while the time was ticking) then trying to do it, but the bottom line is: they wasn't able to do it.

I suppose that they shouldn't play with big companies like Abus and Oxford, but it crossed my mind that one could do pretty much anything on video.
For example: they changed the cutting edges on the croppers after destroying all the other chains, and put a new ones before getting on Almax chains, as the old ones was not so sharp anymore (could they put a low quality cutting edges?)
Not to mention the possibility of reducing the opponents chains strength prior to demonstration (by thermal heating, or mechanically - whatever). And here comes a brilliant one Idea : Buy a cheap chain and put it in a branded cover...

As I mentioned - I doubt they would dare to do that kind of scam and place the videos on the net, but... Where I live one can't be precautious enough (my country has being bombarded for some reasons, and then in few years later all the reasons for that was confessed to be made up... But not loud, on the breaking news of major media, but rather quiet and inconspicuous, in more documentary programs) - So I wouldn't like to see in few months somewhere a demand saying that the videos made wasn't exactly authentic, and that they are sorry they made people believe their bikes are safe...
And they are sorry their bikes are gone...
Once again - I doubt it. But...

All I am saying is - it would be much more convincing if some independent firm or agency would do it. And prove it. Some well known bike magazine, or security agency...
And yes, I am aware of:
https://www.therevcounter.com/motorbike-chat/12577-trading-standards-final-conclusion-sold-secure-28-05-08-a.html
and personally I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of parade is taking place in some banana republic (such is mine), but in UK...
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Now - as it was many times mentioned before: any security measure can be overridden. If this fact is maing someone to conclude "well, they will steal it anyway - so why bother with securing it" - the world is (should be - at least) a free place and let them make their own decision.
They can leave the key in the lock as well, so the poor robber don't anguish himself...

I know that I want to spend money on security and I want it be worth the single penny spent. (That is why I gave up on ABUS Granit Extreme Plus 59, although their commercial is impressive - so is the price).
And that is why I have my eye on Almax.... And gathering info...
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 01 Apr 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commonly known from alot of bikes being stolen that the oxford monster is the most cropped chain about.Nearly everyone ive heard of having a almax, has been alrite heard of a few that have been cropped with hydraulic croppers, but there aint much you can do to stop that happening imho.
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