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silky666 Captain Rulebook
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Posted: 20:34 - 25 Mar 2010 Post subject: KTM EXC EXCF - whats the diff ? |
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What is the difference between an EXC and a EXCF ?
Also, 250cc or 300cc 2 stroke ... is there a big difference (more torque / some form of engine breaking on the 300?)
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ben_wheely Trackday Trickster
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I thought the WR250F was the race spec enduro version whereas the WR250R was the more toned down version? ____________________ 'The core of a man's spirit comes from new experiences'
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Posted: 21:07 - 25 Mar 2010 Post subject: |
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KTM EXC are enduro based and SX are motorcross based.
KTM EXC 125,200,250,300 2-strokes
KTM EXC-F 250 4-stroke
KTM EXC 400,450,530 4-strokes (all the same bike and weight part from differnet top ends.) ____________________ Past:NRG50,AF1125(x2),NSR125RR,ZZR250,CX500,VFR400,KR1S,ZZR600(x2),CB400N,YZF1000(x2),KH125,Z200,FX400R,CBR954RR(x2)GPZ500S,GT550,VFR750F(x2),RD350N,XR650R,CBR600F,CB250,KDX250,YZF750R,CRM250,400EXC,KLR650,TTR600RE,DR350S,R100GSPD,RGV250,VMAX1200,DL650,KZ750 Present:G650XC,C12,CRF450X,1190ADV |
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Posted: 21:13 - 25 Mar 2010 Post subject: |
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The R in the WRs is a completely different bike which is a trail bike - a much more sensible use of a 4 stroke .
As above, EXC is 2 stroke with the 'F' four stroke, but it's not always mentioned - in some sizes it can be confusing (ie 250) when they're described as the same.
You do get some engine braking, but it's generally best not to make use of it for too long.
The 300 shouldn't have much more peak power, but does have more midrange and low down pull.
In some cases it doesn't feel like it's got more go than the big 4 strokes, but the reality is when you blip the throttle you get as much or more 'go'.
Tonka; unfortunately my 200 is going to be out of hours for a while, but you're welcome a play when I get it sorted (probably towards the end of the year.) The 200 really encourages you to make the most of it, but it can get tiring as it's a rev-hungry beast with a big bite if you get it wrong (and when you get it right ). Most fun bike I've ridden or owned so far.
See the KTM uk site for weights of current models - a bit over 10kg, which translates to about 10% more weight - going to be a bigger difference compared to your WR of course.
The 'feel' of the my 200 is definitely lighter than the stats suggest compared to my Hussy 501 which is listed lighter than the KTM four strokes. |
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Posted: 21:27 - 25 Mar 2010 Post subject: |
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You have to take into account that with weight comes 'surefootedness'.
My KTM is a bit of a madam at times .... but personally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCNUBClSIZE#t=9m25s
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I'm far from fast and have managed mid-placed finishes in the hare and hounds I've done - including the first one on my 690, though partly because so many dropped out!
Lane end anyone, first event on the main chec calendar?..
https://www.chilternhillsenduroclub.co.uk/Events.htm
Hopefully I'll at least have the 690 ready to go for then. |
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boundy Nearly there...
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If you don't fall off a few times you're not trying .
To clarify - do you mean time card enduros?
Plenty of technical stuff on Hare and Hounds and CHEC has 4 hour events - but with a convenient hour lunch break half way . In some CHEC ones they have had 'easy' and hard routes so you can do the proper technical steep up/down stuff or avoid it if you're not feeling so brave. |
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If it’s got a set time limit and you’ve got to do as many laps as possible it’s a ‘Hare and Hounds’ (or Hare Scramble, used in america more). A time card enduro has timed stages and intermediate stages, you may do them more than once, but it’s a set number of times. You have to be at the start of the timed stage at exactly the right minute (not early or late).
The ‘rallies’ are run on a time card format, but are generally a bit easier – as you often big beemers etc entering.
CHEC, as you’ll read, is a relatively ‘easy’ friendly club – they make a point of it being ‘friendly’ and that there’s ‘no racing’ as such. Obviously it’s still good manerrs to move aside for the faster riders (of which there are many more than me.)
I wouldn’t mind trying some rallies this year too.
They’re definitely always happy for more marshals if you don’t want to enter quite yet – though what’s your excuse for not entering properly – mine is my bike isn’t working yet and the GSXR is still too shiny for off roading . |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 73 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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