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ginllfixit Nova Slayer
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Posted: 12:27 - 20 Jun 2011 Post subject: Someone knocked my bike over |
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I was parked up in a car park in Manchester and heard my alarm going off and saw it lying on the floor
The guy who did it was looking for me and I got his details, he seemed friendly and was very apologetic. Apparently he just reversed into it and didn't notice it was there.
Knocked a wing mirror off, put a rather large scratch on the side near the subframe, cracked the fairing, and the crash bung is scratched too. It's a Hornet-S that I've had for 18 months and managed to keep upright all that time!
So, what's my next step? Should I just take it in to my mechanic, ask him to sort it all out and forward the bill to the guy? Or should I source the fairing + wing mirrors myself, and take it to a bodywork place to get the scratch sorted out? Should I keep the guy updated with what's going on? By phone or by letter? I can't imagine he'd try any funny business but you never know...
Thanks for any advice. |
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Posted: 12:36 - 20 Jun 2011 Post subject: Re: Someone knocked my bike over |
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ginllfixit wrote: | I was parked up in a car park in Manchester and heard my alarm going off and saw it lying on the floor
The guy who did it was looking for me and I got his details, he seemed friendly and was very apologetic. Apparently he just reversed into it and didn't notice it was there.
Knocked a wing mirror off, put a rather large scratch on the side near the subframe, cracked the fairing, and the crash bung is scratched too. It's a Hornet-S that I've had for 18 months and managed to keep upright all that time!
So, what's my next step? Should I just take it in to my mechanic, ask him to sort it all out and forward the bill to the guy? Or should I source the fairing + wing mirrors myself, and take it to a bodywork place to get the scratch sorted out? Should I keep the guy updated with what's going on? By phone or by letter? I can't imagine he'd try any funny business but you never know...
Thanks for any advice. |
You may have to go via insurance as the hornet subframe is welded to the main spine frame, so a scratch could write the entire bike off... ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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Posted: 12:44 - 20 Jun 2011 Post subject: Re: Someone knocked my bike over |
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MarJay wrote: | ginllfixit wrote: | I was parked up in a car park in Manchester and heard my alarm going off and saw it lying on the floor
The guy who did it was looking for me and I got his details, he seemed friendly and was very apologetic. Apparently he just reversed into it and didn't notice it was there.
Knocked a wing mirror off, put a rather large scratch on the side near the subframe, cracked the fairing, and the crash bung is scratched too. It's a Hornet-S that I've had for 18 months and managed to keep upright all that time!
So, what's my next step? Should I just take it in to my mechanic, ask him to sort it all out and forward the bill to the guy? Or should I source the fairing + wing mirrors myself, and take it to a bodywork place to get the scratch sorted out? Should I keep the guy updated with what's going on? By phone or by letter? I can't imagine he'd try any funny business but you never know...
Thanks for any advice. |
You may have to go via insurance as the hornet subframe is welded to the main spine frame, so a scratch could write the entire bike off... |
Really? Christ...
Maybe I don't mean subframe, I don't know?!
It's roughly here, that's the subframe right:
https://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e123/tomo2006/th_DSCF5771-1.jpg |
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I believe you should ask him if he wants to pay for the repairs himself or go through his car insurance. Get a quote for the repairs (if its repairable )
When he sees how much its going to cost he'll either pay up and be more careful next time. Or tell you to go though insurance. At which point you'll have to give his details to your insurance company in order to start the ball rolling them organising a repair and passing the bill to his insurance company. |
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Your recourse is against him. If he has insurance, all the better, but it's up to him to decide whether to involve them.
Do you have details of an independent witness?
Has the bloke given you anything in writing, or have you recorded his admission of fault?
Is there any CCTV evidence, and have you obtained a copy?
If not, then you may find that his recollection of what happened suddenly changes once you send him the bill. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Can I record telephone conversations on my home phone?
Yes. The relevant law, RIPA, does not prohibit individuals from recording their own communications provided that the recording is for their own use. Recording or monitoring are only prohibited where some of the contents of the communication - which can be a phone conversation or an e-mail - are made available to a third party, ie someone who was neither the caller or sender nor the intended recipient of the original communication. For further information see the Home Office website where RIPA is posted.
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Whether you can then use them in a court isn't clear, but at a minimum you can transcribe them word-for-word and (truthfully) say that you have the recording to back that up.
If I were the one paying out, I'd appreciate you getting multiple competing quotes, although I'd also appreciate that you were the one out of pocket and just wanting to get back on the road ASAP. Actually, I'd offer to source and buy the bits and help you fit them, but that's probably not going to happen here.
If it ever gets to court, then you'll want to have gotten several quotes in order to come up with a demonstrably reasonable figure. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: | OFCOM wrote: |
Can I record telephone conversations on my home phone?
Yes. The relevant law, RIPA, does not prohibit individuals from recording their own communications provided that the recording is for their own use. Recording or monitoring are only prohibited where some of the contents of the communication - which can be a phone conversation or an e-mail - are made available to a third party, ie someone who was neither the caller or sender nor the intended recipient of the original communication. For further information see the Home Office website where RIPA is posted.
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Whether you can then use them in a court isn't clear, but at a minimum you can transcribe them word-for-word and (truthfully) say that you have the recording to back that up.
If I were the one paying out, I'd appreciate you getting multiple competing quotes, although I'd appreciate that you were the one out of pocket. Actually, I'd offer to source and buy the bits and help you fit them, but that's probably not going to happen here.
If it ever gets to court, then you'll want to have gotten several quotes in order to come up with a demonstrably reasonable figure. |
I told him that I'll source any parts that need replacing (wing mirrors, fairing, rear light cover) to keep things down, and told him the only major expense I anticipated was the labour for getting the scratch out of the tailpiece.
I also made it clear that this was only the damage found to my untrained eye and it would need to be checked over for safety by a professional.
I told him I wasn't too fussed about the cosmetic damage to the crash bungs, that's what they're there for! |
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Posted: 18:10 - 20 Jun 2011 Post subject: |
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Remove the crash bungs and chack the engine mounts underneath aren't cracked. It'll be obvious if they are.
You can check eBay for plastics, there's usually a fair selection on there.
Oh - fair play to the bloke for doing the right thing. Can't really ask for much more than that! ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Indeed, it's really nice to see a case where someone is willing to take responsibility and be a decent human being (we all make mistakes), going to the effort of trying to find you as well after it happened. |
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Posted: 08:36 - 21 Jun 2011 Post subject: |
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Thats got to be one of the most gut wrenching feelings. Coming back to your bike and seeing it laying on the floor.
Hayes is my local town (and filled with chavs and aresholes) and Brent is where I work (also filled with arseholes). On 4 occasions now I have come out of work or out of the shops to find my bike lying on the floor, or being sat on then promptly dropped as the chav on spots me walking towards them, leaps off and runs. Has put me off getting another bike with fairings / easily damageable bits until I have moved out of the area now
Haven't had any luck with getting anything paid for with any damage from any of them drops, does sound like he is honest though if he was looking for you. Good luck! |
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kal9001 wrote: | ginllfixit wrote: | I googled his name. He's a professionally qualified solicitor who owns his own law firm specialising in personal injury litigation and motor vehicle accidents!
Gave him a ring and he couldn't have been nicer. Fully accepting responsibility and blame, obviously will pay full damages etc. Intending to sort it out with me as long as repair isn't stupidly high, in which case he'll go through his insurance.
The venue have got in contact and they think they've got CCTV footage. Things are looking good! |
you'll have to go by the book then maybe, the old fable states you cant bullshit a bullshitter. So he will know exactly how to get away with it if he so wants to. But he may be honest and with the money he must have floating around probably wont care at all about you going through insurance or just paying for it all outright.
Damn bikes are FAR too easy to write off just for silly little things. Same with modern cars, Slightest tap and you damaged the smallest part thats worth half the cost of the car. A more cynical person could become suspicious |
Yeah, I guess. My first thought on finding out he was a solicitor was that he would know every trick in the book to get out of it. Very pleasantly surprised to find out just how cooperative he's being. He said his intention is to sort it out by paying me the cost of repair, but he said if it ends up running into silly money he'd be going the insurance route. Hopefully for both our sakes it's just cosmetic damage.
Nai wrote: | Thats got to be one of the most gut wrenching feelings. Coming back to your bike and seeing it laying on the floor.
Hayes is my local town (and filled with chavs and aresholes) and Brent is where I work (also filled with arseholes). On 4 occasions now I have come out of work or out of the shops to find my bike lying on the floor, or being sat on then promptly dropped as the chav on spots me walking towards them, leaps off and runs. Has put me off getting another bike with fairings / easily damageable bits until I have moved out of the area now
Haven't had any luck with getting anything paid for with any damage from any of them drops, does sound like he is honest though if he was looking for you. Good luck! |
Yeah, hopefully. It's so depressing that there are so many people out there who don't have any responsibility for their actions. I was brought up to know that if I damaged something, I'd pay for it somehow. I remember working all summer cleaning cars once to pay for a window I smashed in school from a misplaced football. I'm really glad he came to find me and so far is indicating he'll play ball.
On a different note, is it unreasonable to have both wing mirrors replaced? If I only replace the one that was damaged I'll have one tatty old one and one shiny new one!
Also, I discovered yesterday that the bike won't start in gear Does this indicate the sidestand kill-switch has been damaged? Starts fine in neutral, and once the sidestand is kicked up and I put in in first, it carries on fine - just doesn't start in first gear... |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 12 years, 330 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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