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G The Voice of Reason
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Posted: 11:53 - 20 Nov 2011 Post subject: Re: A Duffer's Guide to Getting A Licence + Newbie Biker Lin |
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Teflon-Mike wrote: |
Rediculousely, the WORST place for a newbie to start is with a learner bike. They are small under-powered and not very forgiving to ride, and built down to a price and a quality. |
You seem to have changed your tune.
This is a reply you have given recently:
Quote: | 'Ideal' is regulation learner commuter. Its built for the job. Not fancy but easy to ride. Everything else somewhere is compromised for style and or performance. |
Generally I'd say the average 125 commuter is forgiving to ride and being under-powered isn't a big issue for learning to ride.
Bikes like the CG125 were designed to work with poor maitenance and rough conditions - it was designed for third world countries and knowledge.
Buying a cheap bike should be separate to buying a poor condition bike. I have seen a lot of expensive but poor condition bikes in dealers, for instance.
Choosing a commuter style bike over, say, a new sports style one likely will inspire confidence and 'flatter' riding.
I've seen plenty of people end up crashing new expensive bikes because they were too worried about crashing and so ended up freezing up, etc.
I would agree it's worth making sure your bike looks reasonable for the test.
Sadly often bikes like CG125s attract a premium because they're known as cheap bikes. May be able to get a better condition NSR for similar money, for instance.
Expensive bikes, as mentioned before, may need money chucked at them.
The trick is to buy a good bike regardless of the money you're spending. As said before, I've found how good a state a bike in tends to not be related to how much you pay; well, until you get to right at the bottom, or right at the top. Though I've still seen almost-new bikes in a shocking condition on sale for a lot of money. |
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DAS course it is then!
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Posted: 06:15 - 15 Feb 2012 Post subject: New Bikers |
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Hi, what i was wondering is is it worth me buying a smaller bike to do the CBT and catergory A test on while im learning and then buy a larger bike after having got my liscence? also can you derestrict a CBR 600 to 33 bhp? and if not what would be a good subsitute instead of one?
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Posted: 13:46 - 17 Apr 2012 Post subject: Re: A Duffer's Guide to Getting A Licence + Newbie Biker Lin |
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G wrote: | Teflon-Mike wrote: |
Rediculousely, the WORST place for a newbie to start is with a learner bike. They are small under-powered and not very forgiving to ride, and built down to a price and a quality. |
You seem to have changed your tune.
Quote: | 'Ideal' is regulation learner commuter. Its built for the job. Not fancy but easy to ride. Everything else somewhere is compromised for style and or performance. |
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Only if you clip the Chorus from the verse and sell them as different songs.
125's are not as forgiving to ride, so dont make learning so 'easy', but by not damping clumsiness, encourage you to master the basics, hence are a good learning tool.
And, 'cheap' second hand bikes that have suffered at the hands of a succession of learners, making thier early riding mistakes, both riding and maintaining a machine, often wont be as 'helpful' by way of being confidence inspiring as a new bike. A new bike, is an expensive way to get confidence, but you don't get as much 'bike' for your money, and it will cost a lot in depreciation.
So, it's swings and roundabouts; and a dilemah that has to be resolved, which gives plenty of scope to cherry pick apparent contradictions, in different parts of the debate, if that is all you are interested in. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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_Iain_ wrote: | So assuming i had a CBT and had passed my theory test (bike), had a suitable bike to take the direct acess on, and i'd got insurance on said bike.
Would i then be able to ride that, on L plates provided i was with someone who had a full bike licence to get a feel for the bike?
(much like when i was on a provisional, but used my own car without the instructor for practice outside of my lessons) or is it a case of having to do a DAS course with a qualified instructor? |
No. DAS rules permit some-one over 21 to ride a machine over 14.5bhp and 125cc ONLY if under supervision of a qualified & approved (and card carrying!) DAS Instructor.
So you could NOT ride a DAS bike, 'legally' on the road unless you were either on a Lesson, or Test. (Examiners also qualify as approved Instructors for the purposes of DAS supervision)
You could however go straight to TEST on a DAS bike you were insured to ride, if you got the bike to the test centre 'legally' ie: you took it in a van, or got a mate who was qualified to ride it, to ride bike, with you as pillion. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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Hi! I'm new to this forum. I look forward to chatting with you about this sport/hobby. Feel free to reach out to chat with me at the address in my signature. ____________________ 2012danbucsko
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Val World Chat Champion
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Posted: 01:09 - 11 Nov 2012 Post subject: bike test categories in mod1 booking |
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on DSA mod1 booking page you need to choose a bike test category, no help there or a link to explain it, here I found most bike models listed with relevant category:
https://assets.dft.gov.uk/dsa-bl/dsa-motorcycle-mtv.pdf
To make it worst on booking page they do not use A1, A2, A notation, here is my understanding of booking test categories:
light = A1
standard = A2
big = A
from the posted link. It has been confusing for me to book my mod1 then I found the pdf and my bike there, hope this willbe useful to somebody ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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dynamo_mum L Plate Warrior
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Posted: 21:17 - 21 Nov 2012 Post subject: |
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Brilliant new starter info.
I'm a 30 year old starter, better late than never |
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I've been trying to figure out the cheapest way to get my full license and the rules are clear as mud now since they changed them.
I'm happy on 125 for the time being as I commute cheaply on it, so even with full license I would probably stay on that for at least the medium term. However my CBT runs out in November and I need to get it sorted really this year and cheaply.
I am 41 and have CBT and have my own 125 on L plates. I was hoping to use the bike for the practice test but it has a speedo in km/h. I guess I can change it relatively cheaply second hand (possibly cheaper than hiring a bike for the test?).
So, I take the theory test, that's OK. £31.
But then what do I do? Eventually I want to be able to ride big bikes, but not just yet, so which test do I take? A/A1/A2??? What's the difference and if I take one on a lighter bike do I have to take it again later to get on a bigger bike instead of the old wait two years scenario?
PS I can't afford direct access or any of that. Was just hoping to take part 1 and part 2 for about £110 combined. |
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If you want to take both tests for £110 it will have to be A1 (light bikes)
You need a bike thats at least 395cc to do the A2 tests (medium bikes)
If you dont want to ride a bigger bike for a few years just put £10 a week in a piggy bank and raid it after a year or two and you will afford DAS |
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Posted: 11:36 - 09 Aug 2013 Post subject: Lessons/test |
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Just started riding bikes again I have had a 125 for two months,
Question; is it better to take lessons over a period of weeks and then test, or take a intensive course over a week then take the test. ____________________ Paul:} |
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