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NSR125-Kid-UK Attention Whore
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Posted: 13:41 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: Fights and flame wars - What is it actually there for?! |
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Well, I've just about stopped posting in fights and flame wars as the long often hailed/often hated karma bot kicks me in the bollocks every time I post something in there, regardless of content. Not only that, but I can't even post new topics in there, having instead to post them in here and hoping they get moved, creating more work for our moderators.
The rules of fights and flames were fair enough, and then they were updated, which is also fair enough. But now it seems we have an unofficial rule, that of "don't post in here at all, unless you really have to", So I'm forced to ask, why is fights and flame wars still there?
We can't post new topics, we can't post on existing ones without getting a kick in the karma, the F&F section may as well not exist at all IMO. I appreciate karma keeps things civil to some degree, but now we're not allowed to vent anywhere on the site, even in the section designed for it - without recrimination.
Why is the section there? Is it soon to be no more than a spiced up equivalent of the old posts archive? Is it going to be closed down? Are the moderators going to choose a subject and let us moan about it?
Is this all some kind of twisted and not-at-all-funny joke?
My karma has dropped from two gold to three and a bit green after about 5 or 6 posts there. At this rate, I'll be banned after another 30 posts in F&FW. Letting the karma bot off its leash really is throwing the fox in with the chickens. Yam's has lost a lot of karma and so have a few others. Where is it going to stop? Before, I was just able to tolerate the concept of the karma bot, but in light of this latest development It seems to me that the majority of the karma system is nothing more than a draconian check-and-balance toy to stop people from winding each other up, even though they'd rather be wound up by each other than by some malicious programming!
Of course, this isn't my site and it's not up to me how it gets run, and before ste says "if you don't like it, leave" I've said it for him. But he won't even be able to say that soon without dragging fellow members into a good old fashioned rant, in which the karma bot, like the oh-so-popular enforcers of political correctness which we so despise, punishes us for every post!
What is happening to F&F?! It's insane! ____________________ https://www.bikepics.com/members/nsrandy/96rs250/ My Bike!
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"Decent Conversation" ? Is that the same thing that they tried in asia when they made it illegal to criticise the monarchy? or when saddam made it illegal to criticise his regime? Decent conversation stops being decent when it's forced on you. You can't turn a rabbit into a fox, some people are timid and some people are aggressive, and it's in their natures. "Decent Conversation" seems to be a bit of a hiding-to-nothing as far as honesty's concerned. The only thing I hate almost as much as the apparent lack of value placed on human life is a conversation that's only friendly because it's forced to be.
Decent conversation on pain-of-being-banned?
Give me Max Power . ____________________ https://www.bikepics.com/members/nsrandy/96rs250/ My Bike!
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Posted: 13:52 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: |
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If you really want a topic moved to F&FW then give me a bell I'll do my best....
j/k people, calm it already.. ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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Posted: 13:53 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: |
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The downside being that venting in other forums isn't "decent conversation". People want their hostility in one place, not spread all across the forum - that'd make the site almost as unfriendly and inhospitable as one run entirely by the karma bot. ____________________ https://www.bikepics.com/members/nsrandy/96rs250/ My Bike!
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Posted: 13:56 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: |
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I think we have the right to disagree in this forum, and to argue your case, it only becomes a flame or fight when one starts deviating from the topic and trading insults, becoming abusive etc., seems sometimes its best to agree to disagree and shut up, safe in the knowledge that you are right
Just the usual ____________________ "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson
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Posted: 13:57 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: |
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I would have posted this in fights and flame wars, except if I'd have been able to without being in fear of my newly valued digital-life I wouldn't have needed to.
And STFU yourself colin.
And what happens if a thread does get moved to fights and flame-wars? let the protagonists fight it out there until the karma bot bans them? Easy way to get rid of troublemakers .
Unfortunatley also an indiscriminate way to see the back of someone who was only sticking up for him/herself. ____________________ https://www.bikepics.com/members/nsrandy/96rs250/ My Bike!
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Okay I retract that comment . Me saying "people want blablabla" is like ste saying "people hate blablabla". What it really means is that I'd imagine that would be better than the alternative. What it probably means in Ste's case is "I hate and so should other people". ____________________ https://www.bikepics.com/members/nsrandy/96rs250/ My Bike!
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Posted: 14:10 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: |
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What has it turned into?
"STFU Andy" ?
It would have become F&FW material If I took that the wrong way . ____________________ https://www.bikepics.com/members/nsrandy/96rs250/ My Bike!
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Posted: 14:13 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: |
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Petty bitching and normal moaning are just matters of opinion at the end of the day. People with no patience probably viewed the entire thread as petty bitching.
Of course I read what you posted, It is wasteful to solicit someone's opinion and then not listen to it (before anyone quotes me later i said "listen to", not "act on"). I try not to waste so many words these days . ____________________ https://www.bikepics.com/members/nsrandy/96rs250/ My Bike!
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Posted: 14:19 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: Re: Fights and flame wars - What is it actually there for?! |
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If topics end up in Fights & Flame Wars, they've degraded beyond reasonable discussion and need to die. If they simply got locked or deleted, many people would cry censorship and start more threads trying to continue the argument and get the last word in.
This way, you have a choice. If you want to chip your bit in to the threads there, it'll cost you Karma. How much you really want to participate in the fights and petty arguments is therefore up to you... I don't want the rest of my shiny forum cluttered up with pointless bitching, name calling and petty squabbles. If that kind of stuff is what you're here for, you might want to investigate alternative forums. ____________________ 3516 Miles, 11 Countries |
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Posted: 14:19 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: |
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Yes ste I did wrap my tiny chav brain around that Idea .
However making people pay to express their opinion is in principle still a matter of censorship, albeit a less draconian one.
Flame war forum! Bang on Mr Korn . ____________________ https://www.bikepics.com/members/nsrandy/96rs250/ My Bike!
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Posted: 14:55 - 13 Oct 2004 Post subject: |
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I like the new F&F section, simply because F&F could change into a tit for tat kinda thing now when i post there i make sure the insult is extra special. ____________________ ****NORTHERN IRELAND NEWSFLASH!!**** According to a recent survey, 94% of loyalists said the best sex they ever had was in the shower; the other 6% haven't been to jail yet.*** |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 19 years, 214 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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