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Hetzer wrote: | Do you seriously think early man spent eight hours a day, five days a week, working? |
Maybe this is the source of our confusion.
A 40 hour work week is not necessary. Most people do it either because they're just not thinking about other options, or because they want creature comforts.
Early man didn't have a comfortable brick house, or central heating, or constant sources of always-on entertainment. He didn't have mobile phones, he didn't have vehicles (other than animals).
If you want to live a basic life, you can still do it. Go wild camping in Scotland. Since you can't really hunt effectively due to law, food will cost you about £1-2k a year. There really isn't that much more you'd have to spend on. Perhaps clothing.
That works out at about 8 hours worked per week. You could, as an example, take a weekend job and clean up at a campsite shower or similar in the morning so that it's actually feasible. |
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Derivative wrote: | Hetzer wrote: | Do you seriously think early man spent eight hours a day, five days a week, working? |
Maybe this is the source of our confusion.
A 40 hour work week is not necessary. Most people do it either because they're just not thinking about other options, or because they want creature comforts.
Early man didn't have a comfortable brick house, or central heating, or constant sources of always-on entertainment. He didn't have mobile phones, he didn't have vehicles (other than animals).
If you want to live a basic life, you can still do it. Go wild camping in Scotland. Since you can't really hunt effectively due to law, food will cost you about £1-2k a year. There really isn't that much more you'd have to spend on. Perhaps clothing.
That works out at about 8 hours worked per week. You could, as an example, take a weekend job and clean up at a campsite shower or similar in the morning so that it's actually feasible. |
You can't take a person out of his current milieu, and in isolation, and expect him to be happy with his new lot, the psyche doesn't work like that. ____________________ "There's the horizon! Ride hard, ride fast and cut down all who stand in your way!" |
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I've been turning 'hunter gatherer' the last few years,after an accident the doc wont let me work,the kids have long flown the nest so i survivre on a primal diet of social sick pay(used for bills,pot,train travel and brews)free homeless soup kitchen food,rooting in skips and occasionally killing the queens deer when my freinds freezer gets very empty.rather than the stress of working i spend half the week completly non verbal sat in woodland or moorland.i am one of those weirdo's who would welcome any catastrophic event,like meteor disaster,earthquake,destabilising magnetic poles,alien invasion,biblical apocolypse etc......because i'v worked out that with a bow and a stick you'd only need to spend a few hours on average hunting to eat and fat people can't run very fast.
anyway the main problem is the unequal distribution of wealth..i.e. land.The real issue for 'capitalisim' ,or more accuratly state supported and ornganised capitalism is wether everyone can have a right to a part time job that pays enough money to live on.Theres not much reason to be having full time jobs,except to divide people socially and economically,especially since the robots can do all the shitty stuff,like shelf stacking and civil service administration.Works overated unless you are doig somthing you enjoy anyway and when you look at who's doing all the consuming and enviromental damage it seems its the workers! ____________________ nearly a normal tax paying tosser.......with ferrileness suzi100,cg125,cb125scb100n,cb175,cd100,cj250t,kh250,c15,125 bantam,super 6,rickman gs750,xt500,250rs,dt175,lifan125,dolomite1850,metro,Morris220ld,morrisfg,leyland princess,range rover,corsa,vw camper .now struggling with legs. MORE ORDER = MORE CHAOS |
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This made a lot of sense when it was told to me after finally graduating the 2nd time around.
It's been plagiarised on the net sooo many times that it's origins & true contents are probably lost.
Can't find a yootoob vid but it's everywhere in differant versions if you Google "Jar of Life".
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The Story
There was a philosophy professor who was giving a lecture. In front of him he had a big glass jar. He started off by filling up the jar with the golf balls and when they reached the rim of the jar he held it up to the students and asked them if the jar was full. They all agreed, there was no more room to put golf balls in, it was full.
Is it full?
He then picked up tub of small pebbles and poured these in jar so that they filled the space around the golf balls. "Is the jar full now?" he asked. The group of students all looked at each other and agreed that the jar was now completely full.
Is it really full?
The professor then picked up another container, this time it had sand in it. He poured the sand in between the pebbles and the golf balls and once again he held up the jar to his class and asked if it was full. Once again the students agreed that the jar was full.
"Are you sure it’s full?" he asked. He finally picked up a bottle of beer and tipped the beer into the jar until it filled up all the remaining space. The students laughed.
Filling up your Life
The professor then went on to explain the experiment. "This jar represents your life," he said. "And the golf balls represent the things in your which are really important, these are the things that have real value. Like your family, friends and your health. The pebbles are things like your mortgage, job, car, clothes and so forth. The sand represents all the other small stuff."
Make Room for the Important
"If you fill the jar up first with the sand or pebbles then you won’t have space for the stuff which matters most. So you must always remember to first make room for the things which are most important in your life first."
"Spend time with your children; make time to paint or to go on walks, take your partner out for a meal. What is your hobby or passion? What reconnects you with life? If you don’t spend time on these," he said lifting up a golf ball. "Then you’ll find your life swamped with the little stuff."
Keep time for your friends.
"What about the beer?" asked one of the students. "I’m glad you asked about that," he replied. "Because, remember that no matter how busy you are, you’ve always got time for a beer." |
Amen ____________________ "I don't hate the Welsh, I pity them. Even the Scots & the Irish look down on them." Anon. |
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Barnaby wrote: | This made a lot of sense when it was told to me after finally graduating the 2nd time around.
It's been plagiarised on the net sooo many times that it's origins & true contents are probably lost.
Can't find a yootoob vid but it's everywhere in differant versions if you Google "Jar of Life".
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The Story
There was a philosophy professor who was giving a lecture. In front of him he had a big glass jar. He started off by filling up the jar with the golf balls and when they reached the rim of the jar he held it up to the students and asked them if the jar was full. They all agreed, there was no more room to put golf balls in, it was full.
Is it full?
He then picked up tub of small pebbles and poured these in jar so that they filled the space around the golf balls. "Is the jar full now?" he asked. The group of students all looked at each other and agreed that the jar was now completely full.
Is it really full?
The professor then picked up another container, this time it had sand in it. He poured the sand in between the pebbles and the golf balls and once again he held up the jar to his class and asked if it was full. Once again the students agreed that the jar was full.
"Are you sure it’s full?" he asked. He finally picked up a bottle of beer and tipped the beer into the jar until it filled up all the remaining space. The students laughed.
Filling up your Life
The professor then went on to explain the experiment. "This jar represents your life," he said. "And the golf balls represent the things in your which are really important, these are the things that have real value. Like your family, friends and your health. The pebbles are things like your mortgage, job, car, clothes and so forth. The sand represents all the other small stuff."
Make Room for the Important
"If you fill the jar up first with the sand or pebbles then you won’t have space for the stuff which matters most. So you must always remember to first make room for the things which are most important in your life first."
"Spend time with your children; make time to paint or to go on walks, take your partner out for a meal. What is your hobby or passion? What reconnects you with life? If you don’t spend time on these," he said lifting up a golf ball. "Then you’ll find your life swamped with the little stuff."
Keep time for your friends.
"What about the beer?" asked one of the students. "I’m glad you asked about that," he replied. "Because, remember that no matter how busy you are, you’ve always got time for a beer." |
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But many people like to play golf. They dont want to land in the land.
Im not a golfer. Im a biker, and I played rugby
But then again Im far to old to play in a sandbox as well. But sand is very useful for putting out fires, providing a place for your kids to play, and providing beach front property.
The fuckwits who think they can eat golf balls and be happy without carrying and digging sand are going to learn a better lesson than that stupid prof. remember the ant and the grasshopper? ____________________ 2011 KTM 990 Dakar
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wanking ,or shagging more may help curb our killing instincts but it provides tempory releif ,like in present times when the UK has a large battalion that it calls the army......politicians theatre/wank/imaginary army.
It might be cheaper to use foreign troops instead for our political /theatrical/tv propoganda wars...the UN does well employing pakistani peace keepers,they are the cheapest,problem is they don't work well with americans.
whats more terrible is the binning of the traditions and histories of all these regiments that are being disbanded,my old fella was a Cameron highlander and would be spinning in his grave if he heard whats happend to the Scotch regiments.If the stupid cuts carry on then we'll have to import the Canadian Black Watch so the Queen can watch kilts at the Endiborough military tatoo. ____________________ nearly a normal tax paying tosser.......with ferrileness suzi100,cg125,cb125scb100n,cb175,cd100,cj250t,kh250,c15,125 bantam,super 6,rickman gs750,xt500,250rs,dt175,lifan125,dolomite1850,metro,Morris220ld,morrisfg,leyland princess,range rover,corsa,vw camper .now struggling with legs. MORE ORDER = MORE CHAOS |
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Derivative wrote: | Hetzer wrote: | Do you seriously think early man spent eight hours a day, five days a week, working? |
Maybe this is the source of our confusion.
A 40 hour work week is not necessary. Most people do it either because they're just not thinking about other options, or because they want creature comforts.
Early man didn't have a comfortable brick house, or central heating, or constant sources of always-on entertainment. He didn't have mobile phones, he didn't have vehicles (other than animals).
If you want to live a basic life, you can still do it. Go wild camping in Scotland. Since you can't really hunt effectively due to law, food will cost you about £1-2k a year. There really isn't that much more you'd have to spend on. Perhaps clothing.
That works out at about 8 hours worked per week. You could, as an example, take a weekend job and clean up at a campsite shower or similar in the morning so that it's actually feasible. |
Maybe it was easier in warmer climes but Early Man in most of Europe would have worked from dusk till dawn seven days a week, hunting and gathering and preparing for Winter.
Anyone remember the 1980's cartoon movie "Starchaser The Legend Of Orin" where there were these villagers who lived in caves deep underground and there was this one kid who who has this crazy idea of digging upwards?
"Never dig up! Up is Hell!!" so say the villagers. The factory where I work, that's exactly the mentality of the people who work there, especially the toss-pots on the factory floor working on the lines, they don't want to know, they don't care, they're not interested in anything outside of the factory walls. Total f*cking waste of time trying to get through to them, they love it there, they love the boredom and monotony and they despise anyone who thinks differently. Seriously, they are that bad and it's not even nearly the worst place to be working.
I worked on the lines for years but I finally got out and moved to a different department doing a job that nobody else wanted to do but it turned out to be infinitely better than being stuck on the lines, better wages too. It's a crappy job and I'm looking for a real job somewhere else (what are the chances?) but I'll never be one of them.
My advice about working full time in a job you hate is to have more than just a pipe dream for how to get out, even if it never goes anywhere at least you've got a real hope of doing something with your life; have a plan.
I'm just getting into sculpting small-scale models which potentially is a source of a good income IF I become expert at it; it will take time and a measure of commitment and it's important to stay up to date with new techniques and developments (3D printer technology is changing the game) but I enjoy it and even if I never go pro it could be a good side-line to supplement my income. |
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I Totally agree, working full time is sometimes really crazy...
I work full time for a bit more then 10 years now, but changed my profession quite often with holidays between the jobs. Also a few times accidents that gave me long breaks
I now work 12 hours a day, 3/4 days a week. Sometimes I have 4 days off in a row and that makes working full time pleasant ____________________ Hi... |
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Haha it's okay mate, got your back.
Anyway just to add my contribution to this thread (and not to let it die)...
I'm a student so have no real idea of the world of work, not gonna lie. But this summer holiday I have been doing a summer placement in a bank in London - I'm currently in my 5th week of it, doing a total 2 months or 9 weeks. And I'm feeling drained.
Not like mentally drained, the work as an intern really isn't that difficult and I'm breezing through most of it and spending the rest of my days on here! But physically.. Getting up at 6am every morning is slowly knackering me out, and I've found I've been missing gym/training sessions when I get home due to tiredness which I am hating myself for cause those are usually my favourite parts of my day.
So the point is, I don't think I can do one of those 7 til 7 jobs, even if a job in a bank will pay bucketloads - money's only material, and in the words of the beatles it can't buy you love!* (or just general happiness). I think I need something physical and active, and even if it pays 1/4-1/5th of what the bank would, I think it will be more fulfilling...
*the proper kind, not the twisted kind Krad seems to get lumbered with in the other thread... ____________________ CBT done - 24/03/2012, theory test done - 03/04/2012.. Mod 1 done -26/06/2012, Mod 2 done - 29/06/2012. Current steed: Cage.
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So the point is, I don't think I can do one of those 7 til 7 jobs, even if a job in a bank will pay bucketloads - money's only material |
You are right not to want it, quality of life is more important
Even though I don't really like my job, but then who does. I'm paid reasonably well, more than most but I know I could earn more. But that would mean commuting to Leeds or Manchester every day. Probably an extra 2 - 3 hours per day.
The best thing I would say about my job is I start at 9 and it's a 10 minutes away, so I leave at 8:45. I see my kids setting off for School every day. I finish at 5:30 and again I am homefor 5:40.
I also will never find a better job for a motorcyclist, I have a sheltered lit motorcyle shed at work, just by the entrance. The yard is totally secure, not 1 theft in over 15 years. There is a hose (essential in winter) and top it off, I am close to some great biking roads, when the weathers nice, I can do 30-40 miles over the tops and be back in the office within the hour.
But like the other posters, I am also fed up of working. I'm 40 years old, my mortgage has 4 more payments left on it and i'm like, do I really need to work. I've even been promted at work to go for promotions, but I don't really need the money or the hassle. ____________________ I've a twin and a 4. |
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I've left jobs I've been good at because the management were shit, or didn't respect us as a workforce.
Infact the 2nd to last company I left (as Admin Dept Manager) filed for bankruptcy a month later. They'd just got a brand new 12month rent free office in Leeds centre but me leaving helped 4 top sales staff and the head of accounts to see the light.
I worked for Morissons for 13months, just got back there actually, standard 8 hour shift and it was a job I was very good at, bossing people about and fixing broken machines it's paying for an R6 come January so I'm happy working towards that goal.
Once my licence has popped back through the post I'll be going back to work driving flash cars so it could be worse. ____________________ Roger wrote: Women don't get damp for clingy puppies. Get some better happy pills, hit the gym & buy a medallion the size of a dinner plate. Job done |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 266 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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