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Posted: 00:49 - 08 Aug 2012 Post subject: My Pragmasis & Almax chains review |
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I recently bought a 1.2 metre Pragmasis Protector chain which has 13mm links from Torc-Ancors.com now know as SecurityForBikes.com, and to be honest its actually great and practical for me.
It will take someone who is very strong and well built with the best bolt croppers to actually cut the chain in about maybe 5 mins to 10 mins but it wont be easy especially if the chain is kept of the ground.
However it is still better than the Oxford chain that I used to use which can be cut by my 16yr old brother in less than 30 seconds with a cheap bolt cropper.
Angle grinders will go through any chain but will make a lot of noise!
I got the chain which has an oversize end ring which gives the chain more length as shown the picture
The 1.2m chain easily fits in the seat compartment of my 2007 R1 so long as the sleeve is moved about.
And because the undertray is made from metal and not plastic it can actually support the weight of the chain without fear of the undertray breaking which is what happened on my older R1s
Here is a picture of the chain in my seat compartment:
https://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/wooizm/IMG_1643.jpg
Here is a picture of the chain locking my bike:
https://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p613/wooizm/IMG_1641.jpg
I currently also have an Almax chain which is kept at home for locking the bike as thats a 2metre, 16mm chain which is far too heavy and will not fit in the seat compartment
If you are thinking of getting a chain that is practical to carry around I highly recommend this chain which is the 13mm Pragmasis Protector chain with the oversized end ring.
Almax as yet do not do a 13mm chain.
When I went to vist Pragmasis up near Birmingham Steve was very friendly and helpful as we experimented with different lengths of chains to see if they would fit in my seat compartment
Their website is https://securityforbikes.com/index.php
Their phone number is 01827 286267
Out of all the chains for motorcycles the only ones I would recommend are Pragmasis Protector chains or Almax chains.
All the other motorcycle chains are made from very cheap metal which I even experimented with and croped my own oxford chain in 1.26 minutes which left me feeling gutted that if it was that easy for me to crop and I am a noob, those that steal bikes by cutting the chains could do it probably half the time it took me! ____________________ Elen sila lummen omentielvo! |
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Pretty nice review, decent details. ____________________ GOOD GAME BODYGUARD: https://i.imgur.com/8WePGgf.jpg
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They used to do a deal with a free Kriega US10 with every chain/lock combo. Apparently they stopped it because people were selling them cheap on ebay, and Kriega thought it devalued their brand.
The US10 is great. I can easily store a 1.5m series III + Squire lock. You can even squeeze in a Xena XUL210 too. If you have 2L of milk explode inside it, it will even demonstrate how liquid proof it is It lasts, it's just bloody expensive for a well made 10 litre bag. ____________________ Prize cunt
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Thanks, that's a properly helpful review. That "noose ring" is one of those things that once you see it, you wonder why everyone doesn't do it.
Actually, it's such a good idea that it's "temporarily out of stock". ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 09:36 - 08 Aug 2012 Post subject: |
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+1 to the noose ring being a great idea .
Like the review . |
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Posted: 09:44 - 08 Aug 2012 Post subject: |
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Good review I have a 13mm Pragamsis chain that just about coils up and fits under the seat on the NC35. |
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Posted: 12:11 - 08 Aug 2012 Post subject: |
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Hi,
Steve here, from Pragmasis.
Joncrete Cungle wrote: | From the pragmasis website.
Quote: | The Motorcycle Gold test on the Protector 13mm chain (July 2009) resulted in a brand new set of Irwin Record 42" bolt croppers having their straps being bent such that the jaws no longer line up and the jaws themselves were also wrecked. This was a very determined attack but the chain did fail in the end. We are unable to crop the 13mm chain as it needs someone with a lot more weight to do it.
However, even the very best sub-16mm chains are marginal at the new Motorcycle Gold standard as that test is performed by big guys. Whether thieves are all big enough, regularly so determined and frequently wrecking 'their' croppers is another matter, but we still recommend that you use a minimum of a 16mm chain if you are protecting any item where that type of attack is common. Much better to have security that gives you confidence rather than something where the thief may well get lucky.
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Quite right, even if I say so myself __If__ you can carry a decent 16mm, use that. If you can't, which is a common problem, you have to choose something else. We do _not_ guarantee our 13mm as uncroppable because you need at least 16mm and properly made at that, to be confident it can't be cropped. It took about 3.5 minutes to cut our 13mm at one of the tests, but someone even bigger (than 6'4" 20+ stone) could potentially cut it quicker. A lot of scrotes are not that big and not that determined, but you might be unlucky if one comes along and you are using a sub-16mm chain. That's the trade-off: if it's 16mm or nothing and portability means it has to be nothing (or just a disc lock/alarm/etc), then you're leaving yourself open to the whole range of thieves; if it's a decent 13mm and kept off the floor, it is likely to stop the majority of them.
Interestingly, some people go for a 14mm but in our experience, they are generally about the same weight as a decent 16mm and they can be very marginal as the heat treatment etc has to be spot on to get them good enough. (We recently heard about two batches of Chinese-made 14mm that has failed tests, and who knows what the quality has been like between the tests.) You may as well use a 16mm and do it properly, __if__ the weight is not an issue. If the weight _is_ an issue, you have to choose something else and when my wife and I have been staying away at a hotel on the bikes, we've always used a 13mm as the 16mm is great for home but too heavy to carry.
I hope that helps,
Steve. ____________________ --
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 235 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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