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Posted: 20:10 - 29 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
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Rogerborg wrote: | symonh2000 wrote: | A derestricted Aprilia RS125 [...] |
...can't be ridden on a provisional license, and there's no reason to limit yourself to a CBR125 other than that you've got a provisional license.
Honestly, I don't know why "Yehbut, unrestricted 2-smoker" always pops up in these L threads. If you can ride that legally, you can ride something that goes better and costs less to buy, own and run. |
iv had a full license for a long time and been thru a string bikes, had the cbr600rr when they 1st came out, then the 1000rr.
now i ride a super-moto'd crm250ar
why? - coz its a lot more fun, its waaaayyyyy lighter, its a 2S, i LUUUUUUVVVV the smoke and the smell of it, and im not as likely to lose my licence with it only having a top speed of around 90 ish.
the cbr1000rr was boring for me - yes was so easy and forgiving to ride my grandma cud ride it.
the rs125 and crm250s have a character that isnt included in a fast powerful sportbike.
its not all about bigger better faster. and my crm has ridden from devon to the isle of skye and back and not broke down - and the insurance is waaaaayyyy less than a sportbike.
i also have a kmx125 and i love it - its in perfect like new all original condition and i wudnt change either of these bikes for something "bigger better faster"
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Posted: 21:00 - 29 Oct 2012 Post subject: |
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BenjaminP wrote: | if it makes you feel any better i can do 75 on my hona h100 sd wooohoo |
Very much doubt it. Speedo must be seriously dodgy. 75mph would be over 10500rpm when peak power is at about 6500rpm.
Rogerborg wrote: | If you can ride that legally, you can ride something that goes better and costs less to buy, own and run. |
True, but why put up with a boring 4 stroke just for a bit of top speed when you can have a fun 2 stroke.
symonh2000 wrote: |
A derestricted Aprilia RS125 does 0-60mph in about 6 seconds, that is about the same as a Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo. Which itself was the fastest accelerating FWD car ever when it was launched. |
Probably 7 seconds realistically for an early one. Later ones have less power.
tahrey wrote: | (BTW here's a similar bit of reasoning for why there may be a lot of rather-less-than-15hp machines about; apparently the pre-EU learner limit in the UK was about 9kW, or 12hp...) |
While true, the most common under 15hp sporty 125 now is the CBR125 which came out long after the learner limit changed from 9kW to 11kW.
tahrey wrote: | Hmmm, whaddya know, you might be on to something. Or at least coming close. There's a claimed 21kW output for that model by Aprilia themselves, and an unofficial listing says it weighs 126kg. |
Depends on the model. 21kW is the claimed power for a late full power bike. Early ones had larger carbs, far better exhausts and were set up to take advantage of higher octane fuel so were more powerful (although at the time Aprilia didn't give claimed power outputs for 125s, following a major press hoo har in Italy in 1989 when the Gilera SP01 was launched and managed 107mph in a magazine road test). Early ones managed 28.5hp at the rear wheel in road tests.
The weight on the frame plate for my RS125 is 115kg dry (although but other figures for the same bike are up near 140kg, which will be a wet figure with a full tank of fuel, etc).
Using 115kg vs 125kg vs 140kg, will make a fair difference to power to weight ratio figures. Add in that most car figures will be a claimed crank figure.
All the best
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Hi jamie,
I have a honda cbr myself and have faced the same speed drawbacks, from my experience and having to have work done i will give you a quick rundown of what will effect the speed on cbr 125, and pretty much all bikes in general.
Binding breaks, if you lift the bike from the ground and give the wheel a push forward or backward your looking for it to go round 360 degrees without any effort, if it does not then you have possibly dirty pistons that need a clean and the caliper cradle, also check for seals in there. also disc's can effect this.
Tyres, these will effect speed and handling (obviously) if they are to low in psi/tread you wear them out alot quicker thus impact performance, and speed.
Spark Plug, again this also effects the bikes performance both starting and speed, as a suggestion if you have not changed it get yourself an NKG Iridium IX Plug, they increase ignition and throttle response at a higher % than an average plug.
Air Filter, if it looks dirty and is none washable, replace it else wash only if washable, to test a faulty air filter if you think it may be the issue is to remove it and ride around the street corner to see if performance has improved, you can do this on a cbr 125 i have myself, just be mindful of any leaves or wrapper that could get sucked in.
Chain and Sprockets, these obviously effect speed as they turn the wheels, you will want a nice tight chain but enough to hold a bounce on the suspension, as if its to tight you can snap it simply by hitting a bump, if you are unsure ask a garage or proffesional to adjust it accordingly, also check the teeth on the sprockets make sure they are even and not worn down.
Valve Clearance, see this video for more information https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G-zi-M4xgs plenty of tutorials on there you can do yourself, on a side note check the carb unless you have injection model, could possibly need a drain and clean.
those are the type of stuff that will effect speed and obviously you will need sufficient and correct oil in the bike and brake fluids ect, obviously i cant list everything because even body work and you're weight in general can effect speed and performance on a motorbike, but those are all the main stuff you will want to check, if you still find no speed improvement then could possibly be an underlying engine problem, i would also like to point out and i noticed it myself the actual clock on a honda cbr 125 is out by about 6-8 mph!
P.S, do not get a 2 stroke bike, you're 4 stroke will be around well after the 2 stroke has blown up...
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Erm, you are using you're and your incorrectly and its brakes not breaks.
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Posted: 10:34 - 01 Nov 2012 Post subject: |
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Iridium spark plugs and running with no air filter.
Please tell me you don't work in a garage
To sort your post..
Brakes - Keep on top of them, remove and grease the pins.
Tyres - 29/31 psi front/rear.
Spark plug - standard one with proper gap.
Air filter - stock one, replace if dirty.
Chain - have 25mm movement and keep lubricated.
Valve clearances - Inlet 0.04 - 0.08, Exhaust 0.25 - 0.29. Check when cold.
Ignore him, a 2 stroke bike will last just as long as a 4 stroke, especially if you neglect the parts above. |
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chunk1189 wrote: | yes its perfectly fine to run the bike with no air filter simply to test if there is an air filter problem but not all the time, no i dont work in a garage i never would either, as i clearly stated at the top of my post im just giving some tips and advice on my experiences and stuff i myself have had problems with since owning a cbr, again what is wrong with an iridium spark plug, they are better than just a standard plug in mine and many others opinions, again its personal choice, and yes a 2 stroke will not last longer than 4 stroke were this man is concerned since 2 strokes were designed for tracks/racing not general road use which is what hes after... |
Hi
Leaving the air filter off could cause you a major engine problem within seconds. All it takes is one reasonable size piece of debris being drawm in to wreck the bore. On the other hand with general increased wear from running without a filter it might well take hundreds or thousands of miles to kill the engine.
Iridium plug won't really do anything useful. Might last longer, but if you have enough of a spark to ignite the mixture at the right time you are not going to get anything extra from a different plug.
As to the 2 stroke vs 4 stroke issue, the CBR seems to kill its gearbox. And plenty of 2 strokes will last ages with no rebuild and no need to change the oil anything like so often, no need to adjust valves, etc. Personally I would prefer the 2 stroke for the higher performance and easier maintenance. CBR is slow enough that a 2 stroke in a VERY low state of tune could be as quick while needing far less maintenance and being cheaper to build.
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