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wisebeuy
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Bike Restriction Law Reply with quote

What is the law regarding bike restrictions? For example, if I pass my test in a couple of months, and get an XR650, I would need to have it restricted to 33bhp for 2 years. But when it is restricted, do you have to use an official kit, and get a certificate and have it sent to your insurers? And is it also true that it costs about £200 to have the bike restricted?
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Frost
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

It costs around £150. it must have a cerfificate proving that it is restricted to 33bhp, unless of course it develops less than 33bhp to begin with.

The period of restriction lasts untill 2 years after you pass your test, or untill you turn 21 and retake your test on a bigger bike.
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wisebeuy
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

well bugger me. £150! I thought it was more or less a washer in the air intake and/or exhaust?!?
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

wisebeuy wrote:
well bugger me. £150! I thought it was more or less a washer in the air intake and/or exhaust?!?

On most bikes it is! But that still doesn't stop dealerships/garages charging you the money for doign it and supplying a piece of paper the say they've done so. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no proper law about how the bike should be restricted. So long as you could prove, if the bike was run on a dyno, tat it's 33bhp or less you're fine. FI International have made thousands off the paranoia of young bikers shitting bricks over restriction. The law is so vague that it'd be difficult for them to prosecute someone on their first restriction offence. They'd have to test the bike on a dyno, then tell you to restrict it.
I've not been done (Fireblade on 33bhp licence) and neither have any of the members of this forum. Someone's always got a mate, or a mate of a mate who's been done, but no proof has ever been presented.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
It costs around £150. it must have a cerfificate proving that it is restricted to 33bhp, unless of course it develops less than 33bhp to begin with.


My housemate was asked by his insurers to provide a restriction certificate for his Bros400, which by design produces 33bhp. It took him a week to get it into their heads that he didn't need a restriction certificate. 'But its a 400 so you have to have a certificate!!' 'But it doesn't make enough power to need to be restricted' etc etc Sick
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Dominic69, all the law says is that it must be restricted to 33bhp.

.....and FI international having profiteering by charging £150+ for a couple of washers for years.

even if you want a new certificate it costs stupid amounts, it is cheaper to get a dyno run, showing the power output, than a re-certification.
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dodsi
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got stung by fi international for my restriction kit and certificates.

my inurance company didnt ask for proof of restriction, and when i asked they said they didnt need it.
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Demonic69
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you fork out for an FI int restrictor kit you're no more or less legal than someone without one. They should be made to refund everyone's money!
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

aye but I have the certificate as proof of "restriction"
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Demonic69
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could write my own and it's just as legal.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, the word needs to be spread that you don't HAVE to have a FI kit. When you speak to them on the phone they make it seem like you HAVE to have onbe of their kits and ITS THE ONY LEGAL way.

But its not. But, your insurance company can have conditions that say you need it. But there are always plenty of insurance companies that won't need proof.

The Xr will be simple to restrict, just put a spacer into the top of the carb which prevents it from opening more than 3/4.
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dodsi
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really,

For sale, Restriction certificates £2.50 each

Please see sample product.
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Demonic69
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best option:
Spend £20 on some Dyno time. Let down the tyres and stuff a rag in the exhaust. Maybe whip off a spark plug cap if need be. Get the bike running under 33bhp and ask for the printout. Et Voila.
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although you don't legally have to have an FI kits and certifcate, if your insurance ask to see proof or the police want to see proof, they can be shown an FI bit of paper and be quite happy but if it's your own home made kit and and a dyno print out then I can see it being more of a problem.

I thought that you don't actually have to have proof, it just has to be 33bhp, all the bit of paper means is that it was 33bhp that day at that time, if they're checking into your paperwork after a big crash then I wouldn't be suprised if they took the carbs off to check.

Having said that, I was never asked for proof of 33bhp by my insurance on a ZX6R and TL1000R, when I renewed my ZX6R insurance they did ask if my CBT was still valid (which it was Laughing).

Was stopped by a bike cop at 17 on a ZX6R and he thought that was the biggest I could ride 'til I was 21.
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tony532
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

the garage where i had mine restricted

charged me 135 pounds fitted

he said it costs him 110 pound from fi international and showed me the invoice

and went on about the goverment making money off the certificate/paperwork as well
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be quick!!

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10460&item=7948932219&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Look at what you actually get for the rrp of £150, its sick.

Certificate too! Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 17:48 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I,m completely against the 33bhp law which l,m under for another 13 months, but in the very unlikely chance that l was force to take the a bike to a dyno or to a "police bhp test centre" (have hear there are two such places in the UK) to prove that it is 33bhp l could simply restrict the bike with carb throttle restrictors made from some pvc air pipe so that the throttle doesn’t full open.




(33bhp restriction do not legally have to be carb in-take resistrictors like F1 internations)
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

The person selling his VFR kit on eBay says it includes the certificate, but the offical FI certifacte is not going to be usable unless you have the same reg as them. FI say that the kits can't be removed and refitted, so I doubt an insurance company or the cops would be interested in proof of restriction for some different bike, get it dynoed with them fitted if you buy it.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

i gotta say im getting a ZXR400 so im gunna have to get it restricted or as far as i know but aint these certificates just like MOT's they aint worth the ink or the time lol but ill hopefully beable to get it fitted cheap as my m8 works at appleyards so ill make sure he dose the work then wen we get it home whip em out again waste of money but if it keeps the police and insurance happy gets rid of a few problems eh ?? plus the restriction will stop me fucking the bike up strait off ie too fast out of a corner and high mr/misses mini metro driver screech BANG Twisted Evil Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 21 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

NY_Sniper wrote:
i gotta say im getting a ZXR400 so im gunna have to get it restricted or as far as i know but aint these certificates just like MOT's they aint worth the ink or the time lol but ill hopefully beable to get it fitted cheap as my m8 works at appleyards so ill make sure he dose the work then wen we get it home whip em out again waste of money but if it keeps the police and insurance happy gets rid of a few problems eh ?? plus the restriction will stop me fucking the bike up strait off ie too fast out of a corner and high mr/misses mini metro driver screech BANG Twisted Evil Laughing


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