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lra1000
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Yep I wanted to add a
Whuut?
too, but you young whippersnappers are too damn fast. Laughing

Louie
A years project ? seriously?
I know a few old bikers who's hearing is dodgy, but who's to say
this isn't due to age, wear and tear, years in heavy/noisy industry,
the aforementioned loud music, inherited conditions
or a mixture of the lot?

We already know the adverse effects of excess noise on the eardrums dont we?
singling out motocycles seems like make work to me.


Well you're right, there are a lot of factors which influence hearing loss/deterioration. I don't need to specifically single out bikes, as it already been proven to damage hearing.

If you're doing 70 and don't have plugs in, the dB's inside the helmet range between 100-115. Now doing this speed for 15 minutes will cause TTS (temporary threshold shift), basically the light ringing sound you may get sometimes. continuing this over an extended period of time leads to more permanent damage.

Of course, most journeys are more than 15 minutes, and multiplied over 5, 10, 40 years of riding, its going to inflict some damage.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baffler186 wrote:
Done. However, I don't know what the purpose of this research is. You need to establish a base line; for example I had tinnitus from a young age due to being in a band and standing close to loud amps. You need a rating scale to see if peoples' (already bad) hearing has deteriorated further since riding.

And also, hearing loss is not the only factor. You can have ringing in your ears without suffering hearing loss. Another factor is temporary hearing loss i.e. you could suffer this for an hour post-ride but it can then return to normal.

I'm not picking holes for the sake of it, but what will the answers of that questionnaire tell you?


Thanks for doing the survey.

In reply to your comments, my aim isn't to monitor the deterioration of a riders hearing, as this will be very complicated, over a long period and yes, many other things have an influence - like being in a band.

Its already been proven that bikes will contribute to hearing damage, so this isn't my focus.

What I am trying to get out of the questionnaire is basically an understanding towards you/our opinion towards this matter. Some people always ride with plugs and have a strong opinion about it; while others laugh at this project and think its a joke.

The temporary hearing loss you mentioned is called TTS (temporary threshold shift). This is what causes the ringing noise. While it is temporary on that day, frequent exposure to this will result in more permanent damage.

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PostPosted: 14:49 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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riding an R6 and turns out more like a daelim 125 with a welded sprocket


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PostPosted: 15:30 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah but it was the varadero with the welded sprocket, the R6 claim was with the Daelim. Man he was/is a bit of a plonker.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lra1000 wrote:
others laugh at this project and think its a joke.

Well, it is pretty funny, but not because hearing loss isn't a serious issue.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
lra1000 wrote:
others laugh at this project and think its a joke.

Well, it is pretty funny, but not because hearing loss isn't a serious issue.



Well, many police officers every year sue the Home Office due to hearing loss. It costs the government 100's of thousands in fact. If a solution can be designed to combat this and minimise compensation claims, then it seems worthwhile.

Don't really see whats so funny about that.
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lra1000 wrote:
Well, many police officers every year sue the Home Office due to hearing loss. It costs the government 100's of thousands in fact. If a solution can be designed to combat this and minimise compensation claims, then it seems worthwhile.

Don't really see whats so funny about that.


I don't know really,
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, since I've started riding a bike my conversations go a bit like this...

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PostPosted: 22:47 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done the survey FWIW. Personally i've never given it much consideration; so many other things like loud music are just as likely to damage my hearing I expect. I have started wearing earplugs in the past few months after years riding without them, but not because i'm worried about hearing loss - I tryed them one day and found it made riding a lot more enjoyable, didn't really acknowledge before how distracting and annoying the noise got on long journeys on the motorway etc.

Don't see too much problem with these 'bike' surveys, if there is going to be some 'research' done, bike-related stuff might not be a bad thing I suppose [although I wouldn't expect many people to be bothered to do them in all honesty]. Although; maybe be careful for what you wish for Razz
lra1000 wrote:
Well, many police officers every year sue the Home Office due to hearing loss. It costs the government 100's of thousands in fact. If a solution can be designed to combat this and minimise compensation claims, then it seems worthwhile.
Sounds like something the EU legilsation folk could jump on to try force everyone to ride ear-friendly, noise-free electric bikes or something in the future Razz because; ''saving hearing'' of course Wink
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go down Madeira Cafe much? You should do, great crowd down there...even the ones who ride trikes are alright... Laughing

Yes, I bother about my hearing, which is why I wear earplugs. Every trip without exception. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lra1000 wrote:
Well, many police officers every year sue the Home Office due to hearing loss.

How many?

lra1000 wrote:
It costs the government 100's of thousands in fact.

How many 100's of thousands, in fact?

lra1000 wrote:
If a solution can be designed to combat this and minimise compensation claims, then it seems worthwhile.

Designed, developed and brought to market.

lra1000 wrote:
Don't really see whats so funny about that.

I imagine you don't, because totes SRS.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 31 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Done the survey FWIW. Personally i've never given it much consideration; so many other things like loud music are just as likely to damage my hearing I expect. I have started wearing earplugs in the past few months after years riding without them, but not because i'm worried about hearing loss - I tryed them one day and found it made riding a lot more enjoyable, didn't really acknowledge before how distracting and annoying the noise got on long journeys on the motorway etc.

Don't see too much problem with these 'bike' surveys, if there is going to be some 'research' done, bike-related stuff might not be a bad thing I suppose [although I wouldn't expect many people to be bothered to do them in all honesty]. Although; maybe be careful for what you wish for Razz
lra1000 wrote:
Well, many police officers every year sue the Home Office due to hearing loss. It costs the government 100's of thousands in fact. If a solution can be designed to combat this and minimise compensation claims, then it seems worthwhile.
Sounds like something the EU legilsation folk could jump on to try force everyone to ride ear-friendly, noise-free electric bikes or something in the future Razz because; ''saving hearing'' of course Wink


Cheers Matt! Yeah as with everyone and as I expected, its never a noticeable level of damage on the day - and there will always be larger factors.

I need this survey because it gives background depth to my report. But you would be surprised, 48 people have done it so far, so better than expected!
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 31 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
Go down Madeira Cafe much? You should do, great crowd down there...even the ones who ride trikes are alright... Laughing

Yes, I bother about my hearing, which is why I wear earplugs. Every trip without exception. Thumbs Up


Nice surprise to meet you there earlier Clanger!

Enjoy the sunshine.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 31 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
lra1000 wrote:
Well, many police officers every year sue the Home Office due to hearing loss.

How many?

lra1000 wrote:
It costs the government 100's of thousands in fact.

How many 100's of thousands, in fact?

lra1000 wrote:
If a solution can be designed to combat this and minimise compensation claims, then it seems worthwhile.

Designed, developed and brought to market.

lra1000 wrote:
Don't really see whats so funny about that.

I imagine you don't, because totes SRS.



Can I have some of your spare time please? Seems like you have a lot.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 31 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lra1000 wrote:
Can I have some of your spare time please? Seems like you have a lot.

Oh, burrrrned.

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Straight up, we get several of these survey requests every year from design students with great intentions but no means of getting their designs into production. Without that transfer into reality, it is a bit "Do my homework, mister."
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 31 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I answered the survey.

I haven't got a degree, though I did get a GCSE in colouring in.
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PostPosted: 03:38 - 01 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aged 45, biking since 16, lots of long distance rides (at speeds over 70 Twisted Evil ) including stints as a courier and daily 45 minute high speed commutes. In the past two years I've started to wear earplugs because 'it's good for me' on motorway journeys, but more often than not I forget to put them in.

No tinnitus despite suffering regular TTS (and I can still clearly hear ranges above 17.5KHz)
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 01 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

at 42 i have moderate hearing loss, I assumed this was down to my average of 60,000 miles a year on bikes, djing in my 20/30s and working alongside some extensive sound systems.
But no, both specialists have said it's not that sort of hearing loss and it's not the cause.

Hereditary apparently, I'll blame the parents when I see them tomorrow.

So, listen to loud music, ride bikes and don't go deaf.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

35 and have titinius and am half deaf

some from biking some from a hereditary condition
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exhausts do/did you use? The wind noise is not that bad, imo.
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I fire artillery pieces for fun, have spent half my life in rock bands, and for a significant proportion of those years was in clubs and halls several nights a week inexpertly changing CDs or hiding behind a mixing console, i frequently shoot clays, and am no stranger to machine shops and other high noise industrial environments.

Extensive use of earplugs and ear defenders means my hearing is still in good shape. I use them on my motorcycle whenever I plan on leaving the urban 30/40 limits.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
35 and have titinius and am half deaf

some from biking some from a hereditary condition


Do stick women's tits in your ears?
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question for some of you hearing impaired fellas that ride without ear plugs.
Do you ride with a snood at all?
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 02 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

lra1000 wrote:
Clanger wrote:
Go down Madeira Cafe much?


Nice surprise to meet you there earlier Clanger!

Enjoy the sunshine.


I know!
What are the odds that a) you should right next to my bike, with so many other places to park... b) go back to your bike at the same time as me c) I'd recognise your bike from a glance at your piccie??

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PostPosted: 12:25 - 04 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
lra1000 wrote:
Can I have some of your spare time please? Seems like you have a lot.

Oh, burrrrned.

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Straight up, we get several of these survey requests every year from design students with great intentions but no means of getting their designs into production. Without that transfer into reality, it is a bit "Do my homework, mister."



Haha, well view this how you like, but a lad on my course at my uni last year designed a road sign which alerted drivers at T-junctions about oncoming bikes. His project was featured in MCN and he is in talks with the UK Government about employing his design. I would say that's a bit bigger scale than child's homework.
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