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sidewinder
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 17 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeSinnis wrote:
Well I will make sure I post up info etc - as long as you wouldnt class that as spamming.
Grey area I know


You'll be ok with that.we have a chap from motad exhausts who pops up now and again Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 20 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That may very well be the 250 test then - up to the Highlands in winter. Im up for that - never experianced much of beautiful Scotland.

As for indication of price, we are thinking about 2200 - 2300 but its up in the air at the moment.
It is the same frame as the 125 - but its a good sized 125 to be honest.

I will post up more details as and when - and thank you for all you comments. Been editing video for three days and I just want to sleep for a month now
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 21 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeSinnis wrote:
That may very well be the 250 test then - up to the Highlands in winter. Im up for that - never experianced much of beautiful Scotland.

As for indication of price, we are thinking about 2200 - 2300 but its up in the air at the moment.
It is the same frame as the 125 -



It might not be a nice thing for you to hear as you are trying to get a new brand accepted and some people to buy that brand.
Your bikes will compete against second hand 250`s , so a price that is attractive is very important.
How do I know this? because I have looked at second hand 250`s and compered then to new Chinese 250`s.
If I am doing it, you can be sure others are doing it also.

125 frame Sad Pepperami is not small and does not want a small bike no matter how nice it looks.
Nor does Peppers and some others want a trials style bike.

"Nice bike mate, you look like a bullfrog sitting on a matchbox when you ride it, it`s that small"
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 21 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
MikeSinnis wrote:
That may very well be the 250 test then - up to the Highlands in winter. Im up for that - never experianced much of beautiful Scotland.

As for indication of price, we are thinking about 2200 - 2300 but its up in the air at the moment.
It is the same frame as the 125 -



It might not be a nice thing for you to hear as you are trying to get a new brand accepted and some people to buy that brand.
Your bikes will compete against second hand 250`s , so a price that is attractive is very important.
How do I know this? because I have looked at second hand 250`s and compered then to new Chinese 250`s.
If I am doing it, you can be sure others are doing it also.


As a potential buyer, the competition is the Suzuki TU250 "Big Boy" Grasstracker, that I see imported regularly on eGay :-

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/v9gAAOSwVFlUDulX/$_12.JPG

They list between £2-3000, usually around 10 years old with up to 10k on the clock.

Seeing as it's a 125 with a 250 engine, I'm guessing £1600 for a new bike plus £900 for the 250 engine (172FMM, eBay) minus £500 for the 125 engine (K157FMI, again on eBay) puts the price I'd like to see (bearing in mind they are RRP figures) around the £2000 mark, as a hastily cobbled together rough guestimate.

Do that and I'd buy one today, test ride depending Smile

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PostPosted: 21:21 - 21 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My ideal bike garage changes all the time. But the flat-track/grass-track style or whatever it is, always appeals to me.

I like small bikes, but they have to be fun, i.e. my pit bike, my cub, my MT5, my mates TZR50. I don't know how you'd build fun into a bike though. Laughing

My bikes are both tools and toys, bar one of my bikes, so as such something that disintegrates in salty snow or sitting in the rain all day at work is not the bike for me. I'm not sure what the component strength is like on the sinnis's as the few of my mates that have a 125 have only kept them for a few months then moved on or they are so new still and used only on good days that I don't know what they would be like with rust.

Like Pepperami said, price needs to be good enough to compete with second-hand, well-known brand 250's. My budget is quite small though with bikes, so I would probably buy a second-hand Sinnis anyway.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 21 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeSinnis wrote:

As for indication of price, we are thinking about 2200 - 2300 but its up in the air at the moment.


Why not price it based on what it costs you + a reasonable profit?

Pricing it to only mildly undercut your competition may seem like a good idea but ask yourself...... how many 250cc bikes do the competition sell? I'd bet the figures are depressingly low..... heck I'm certain they are low it took me ages to find a decent 2nd hand 250 Jinlun because they didn't sell many new originally and that was a bike that had a large following in its 125cc format.

Remember if you sell em as low as you can now to get as many out there as possible you build the brand, currently you don't have a brand that anyone gives any value too so I'd have thought building it to a respected name should be higher on the priority list than maximising profit on minimum sales.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 22 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

And thinking about it a bit more, please provide a service where any emissions crap is already junked, a freer-flowing exhaust is fitted and carb jetted to suit, and a sensible front sprocket already selected for the aforementioned mods.

[edit] If indeed you can't do that as standard.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 23 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

We base our pricing on

A) What it costs us
B) Decent profit margin for the dealers
C) Current market trends

We are not box shifters like many other importers, and also we do have a good reputation amongst the industry. We give a hell of alot of attention to customer satisfaction.
We would love to do those modifications, but dont forget we have to adhere to Euro Import and emissions laws and vehicles too. Hence why we dont do a V8 6 litre scooter haha.
Sheer power is not our aim, longevity, reliability and cost effective trouble free motoring is the aim. If you want to bolt on aftermarket bits when you have the bike - thats up to you. As a company we do sell a lot of that through our parts company MPW direct for Jap bikes and Chinese bikes etc, but as a stock bike it has to cater for all markets. We dont have the Kawasaki budget! Lets face it, they dont even have the budget any more either - they pretty much are all made or based in China to save cost
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 24 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing the stats will be similar to its sister, the HMC Classic :-

https://www.haywards.co.uk/hmc-classic-cafe-racer-250cc.html
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
I'm guessing the stats will be similar to its sister, the HMC Classic :-

https://www.haywards.co.uk/hmc-classic-cafe-racer-250cc.html


I would not be unhappy to have one of those Thumbs Up Floats my boat!

Over £2500 Shocked , sorry that`s just to much for me Sad such a shame.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 14 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No not similar at all.

The HMC is thinner and weaker and its not as powerful.

We do it better haha
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 14 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS eta is now January, it rides like a dream and will be £2200 + OTR costs (Thats the retrostar 250 btw)
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 14 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Smile

We thought it was quick top end. We were getting 78 out of it with luggage on the motorways in Europe (err I mean on the closed track)
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 30 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only problem I can see with your bike is when you discontinue them you only supply for 2 years after discontinuing the product.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 20 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 250 is now out £2200 plus OTR.
I want the Scrambler but as the 250.https://www.sinnismotorcycles.com/motorcycle.php?motorcycle=Sinnis%20Scrambler%20125
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