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PostPosted: 09:05 - 22 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:
The youtube analyse page seems very random it says some videos with a few hundred views have made $0.01 yet another one with only 30 views has made $0.10

I suspect it depends on who uses Ad-block.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 22 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

True I suppose, I've actually turned ad blocker off for this site and youtube. I might ditch it altogether as if sites can't make money from selling advertising they'll only want the money from us some other way. I have seen a few youtube videos from uploaders saying their income has been slashed since adblock has become popular.
Ad blocker is also a bit of a mafia allowing certain ads/companies to be let through their filter.
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 22 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I turn ad block off for bcf, I'll never turn it off for YT, they take the piss with the amount of ads they run now, before it was fine but now there's an ad on nearly every video
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 22 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:
I have seen a few youtube videos from uploaders saying their income has been slashed since adblock has become popular.

😭 boo hoo. Fuck them, they should get a real job then. At least with people like BvG, any money he earns is a bonus. It was never about the money in the first place, and he'd never complain about it not coming in from YouTube.

So if those YouTube millionaires see a decline in their income, I don't care! Not that I follow anyone like that in the first place.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 22 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non of the channels I subscribe to are making millions, I think only a couple do it as a job but also have other incomes along side. I would have thought it costs the majority of uploaders more for equipment and time ect then they'll make from ad sense. Plus I'm not giving them money I'm letting them display a small advert.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 22 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutchy wrote:
I turn ad block off for bcf, I'll never turn it off for YT, they take the piss with the amount of ads they run now, before it was fine but now there's an ad on nearly every video


Yup! the 30 second ads that let you click skip after a few seconds weren't too bad.

It's the 30 seconds ads you are forced to watch that are irritating.

They even now have ads that cut in half way through a video. I was watching a 20 minute tutorial about 2 days ago and it just cut to an ad twice! It wasn't like TV where it transitions smoothly either, so you'd be listening to a guy talking and mid-sentence you'd get some shitty ad!

I've made an exception in BCF for adblock. The ads don't effect my experience and sometimes something that will spark my interest will actually be for sale on ebay or something.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 22 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A leading YouTube entrepreneur is facing legal action for alleged copyright infringement in her videos.

Ultra Records, which has musicians Kaskade, deadmau5 and Calvin Harris on its books, is suing Michelle Phan.

The label and its publishing arm claim she has used about 50 of their songs without permission in her YouTube videos and on her own website.

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The parties have asked for $150,000 (£88,000) for each proven copyright infringement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28418449
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this thread seems to have gone quiet but I've been off BCF for a fortnight and this subject really interests me.

Here are my current channel stats from social blade (great resource, thanks R1 Jay (currency is in euros as I am in Germany)):

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/serenaur/UTubchannelstats_zps1fbb0fbf.jpg

I monetised my account in March/April last year although I've had my youtube account since 2007 (which only had 1 video on it for the first 4ish years). My current lifetime earnings according to my youtube analytics page is $66.74 but I won't get any money until I reach $100/£60.

$49 of my estimated earnings have come from a Subaru video I made and put up in February last year which is currently sitting at about 30,500 views. When I originally posted the video on YouTube I put a link on here, the car owner put a link on the scoobynet and overclockers forums and that was it. Neither of our links really generated that much interest but after about 3 months and then 6 months there were 5/600 views-per-day spike which came from some random Polish and Russian car blogs that I had no idea about or had ever heard of. Those concentrated views pushed the earnings up loads so I can see how much some of these bigger channels are making.

**The rest of this post is my conjecture and is probably easily refuted but I've come to terms with the fact I probably won't have that mega viral money maker video so I haven't really looked into this stuff too much lately**

I think youtube monetisation is a bit like the insurance black magic number generator in terms of you put your video up, the views come and then you get a random amount of money from it. There are so many factors that affect how much money, if any you will earn from a video.

From what I understood from when I looked into it you get higher paid adverts if your video is popular and attracts a lot of daily views. My YouTube channel is getting around 2k views a month now and is earning about $0.80 from those views. The days I got 600 views in one day would earn around $10-20. I'd compare it to my channel currently being a billboard up in the Scottish highlands whilst the popular videos are like billboards in London - worth a substantial amount more to the ad companies. So while a video with a lot of views might look good at first glance - if the views have amounted over a few years then chances are the revenue won't be anywhere near as good as a video that gets millions of hits in a week hence everyone trying to generate as many likes, shares and subscribers as possible to reach as many people as quickly as possible. As R1 Jay pointed out, clicks generate a lot more money than just views too.

When I looked into it before it seemed that you couldn't monetise a video with any content that you hadn't created yourself without written permission from the content creator/copyright holder. That meant that if you'd made a video of yourself riding a bike with a helmet camera, put some chart song over it and got a million views in a week then you wouldn't get any money from it (unless you got a publishing license from the artist - unlikely). I think it's changed slightly now to allow those that make cover versions of songs to make some money from their videos but I'm not too sure and I use my own music for 95% of my videos anyway so I never really looked that much more into it. Annoyingly the one time I used a proper bands song the video became a bit of a slow burner and has now got around 20k views. I probably would be at around $100 overall if I had been able to monetise that video. I've noticed that a lot of small to mid size youtube channels rarely feature big recording artists and will generally go for the much smaller bands/artists on small (or no) record labels/publishing companies as it would be much easier to agree some licensing agreement from them than someone like Avicii or Led Zeppelin for example.

Kawashima raises a very good point about adblock and with it's popularity increasing I can see the money generated by smaller accounts like mine diminishing to a negligible amount. The ads on YouTube are a bit excessive these days and I often have adblock turned on when browsing YouTube. The only way I'll generate any real money directly from YouTube now is how Al says and spam social media, blogs and other websites to oblivion to get some views and hope it takes off.

Speaking with a freelance videographer head on, YouTube is just a way to showcase your work and generate interest in you, your brand or company. It's a bit useless as a way to make money directly from the site but as has been pointed out by others it's a great way to work with companies to get other perks such as sponsorships, discounts, experiences and free stuff. I like that I can send a potential client a link to a YouTube video on my channel and be able to say this is what you can expect when you hire me to make a video for you. It's a tool to use as a business that you can exploit in different ways as your channel increases in popularity.

I think if you're clever then there are still plenty of ways to make money through YouTube but not solely from ad revenue unless you get that viral hit. I like to make videos so I'll keep making them, uploading them to YouTube and collecting whatever small amount I can get through ad revenue. I think to actively chase that viral video to the point where you can sit back and watch the wads of cash rolling in is a bit like spending loads of money on lottery tickets and chasing a jackpot win. My advice to the OP would be to just carry on making the videos for enjoyment and then if you get another 500k view tractor video then be glad that your account is already monetised!

Sorry for the essay but I find this YouTube money generation thing really interesting as well the misconception that everyone on YouTube is loaded and is laughing all the way to the bank from ad revenue. Seeing some odd videos getting ridiculous amounts of views also baffles me. I watched some 2p coin pusher videos a while back that were on over 10 million hits. The guy didn't even win anything Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 30 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different niches will show different advertisers. YouTube was bought by Google in 2006 (?) with the sole intention of monetising the site with their Adsense platform.

If you have ever used their Adsense platform on its own, your earnings can hugely differ depending on the website you're monetising.

Tech review sites tend to generate the highest incomes, I believe Peter Cashmore of Mashable is the highest Adsense earner in the world.

Blogging review sites are also in that category of top performing ads because of the type of advertisers that want to get their products/services seen by that demographic who read review sites.

I've seen £1.81 from 1 click on one of my niche sites in the business/MLM industry (just a directory). As opposed to monetising a personal blog about anything and everything, the advertisers there wouldn't be paying £1.81 a click.

It links in to Google Adwords, anyone can use the Adwords platform to sign up and use cost per click to advertise their business. If I wanted to attract more clients to my web design business, I could create some ad groups, couple of ads and set my maximum daily budget and adjust the targeting for which countries and keywords I want to advertise to.

A well known web design blog/website, i.e. Smashing Magazine could then monetise their website and because it's about web design, my adverts could end up being rotated on their site. You can also choose to opt out of all their ad networks and purely focus on Google search, if you wanted to.

Traffic = Money in this game. If you can generate it, you can make money. I know someone who made $500,000 from a niche website about jail breaking iphones, over the course of 18 months. If you're getting huge traffic, you can make 6 figure incomes from it.

Personally, if I were in to making YouTube videos, I would do something like this:-

Consistently make a video once a week at least.

Syndicate it out to several social media profiles but always link back to your website (which is monetised with Adsense too).

At the beginning, supplement your videos with affiliate deals to relevant products. Maybe include links about the camera you use or a piece of equipment that features in your video from Amazon affiliates or elsewhere.

Partner up with some equipment providers directly as an affiliate (you will earn more commission).

Build a mailing list via incentivisation - i.e Give something away in return for someone signing up to your list. Once you start building a list, you can email out updates, news, videos, content, etc. You can use the likes of Aweber, Mailchimp, Leadpages, etc for list building.

Try and find other channels that would work great with yours, you can approach them to refer each other traffic / subscribers. Collaborations can massively help each other if you're both of a similar size.

Organically, it could take a 12 months + of consistent video making, social media promotion, etc. However, I would recommend spending a little money on boosting traffic to either your website or social media fan page to boost growth. You don't need to spend a fortune on it, you can run Facebook ads pretty cheaply to boost your page likes and ultimately more subs/shares/clicks. I think most people are scared of spending £50 on ads, "just in case it doesn't work". It does work and the returns can be immense for very little out lay.

Whilst on the subject of Facebook ads, most people are blissfully un-aware of the power in using them to make money without having any actual content yourself. For example, you can flip money about with their ad platform by running ad campaigns to affiliate products. I'm not talking about Amazon affiliates here (the payouts are low) but other specialised networks like JVzoo.com

A lot of the affiliate products on there will pay out 50% commissions, sometimes higher. You can find a product on there that you like, make sure it's a decent product with good payouts and you can request to become an affiliate for it. Once approved, you can use what's called Facebook Dark Posts to promote it to custom audiences. Highly targeted ads to people who would be interested in these products. So with a little outlay of £50 - £100 over the course of 5 days, you could earn 4 to 5 times that back.

There's so many ways you can monetise content you create or just create income streams from promoting other people's content.
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PostPosted: 03:55 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon the reason there hasn't been a reply on this thread in a while is that by the time everybody got to R1 Jay's post and read it they were engulfed in their own thoughts about monetisation Laughing

I wonder if it's taxed, the income?
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adsense income is taxed, yes.

I think it's cool how we live in a time where we can generate income from streams like this. Rewind 10 years and monetising videos like this was mostly un heard of.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 11 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:

Not to mention the perks, considering he's riding around on a 1290r Superduke he's being loaned for free from KTM.
He's loaning it fair and square in a competition he won that was made available to the whole wide world.

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PostPosted: 08:42 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting thread, had to laugh about the 2p machines...

I've followed a good few traveller's blogs and some of them at some point in their multi-year 'epics' thought hard about monetizing their blogs/videos, usually when approaching the end of the trip and/or running low on money.

Considering the amount of money they had spent the financial afterthought about 'cashing in' seemed shallow at best. If you've had the trip of a lifetime why sour it right at the end?

One couple went to the trouble of getting an eBook published on Amazon, about a 3 week trip to Morocco! I mean come on! The guy admitted they sold a couple of hundred copies at most...

This was halfway through their 18 months in Europe, they also started putting ads on their blog, earning a few £ a month, but read any blog like that and the ads are just annoying, they are done so badly when using wordpress or whatever...Was it worth the effort just for a few hundred extra Euros? It blighted their writing style on the blog, and I commented on that and to my surprise got a comment back saying "we just decided to try and see what happens...", which was fair enough.

I liked Henning,
https://www.oneworldonejourney.com/, Danish bloke, did 900 Hardcore days around the world on his bike, he's promised a book...but might not happen, it was his dream (a costly one), and at no point did he start writing about 'selling it'. Good for him.

I doubt even a RTW vlog would generate any sort of meaningful revenue as it's all been done before, just looked on youtube and London to Africa videos on a GS are getting about 50k to 100k views...First one I found was pretty well done too, obvious time and effort to make it, for 50 quid?

Best just to view it as your own personal record of the journey, shared for your armchair followers enjoyment, and as a lasting memory for yourself...

Just my 2p...

<goes off to vlog paint drying, a sleeper hit I'm sure...>
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been travelling myself and can understand the mentality of trying to squeeze some money out of it at the end. An extra few hundred euros can go a very long way in some parts of the world. Where my wife and I went in S.E. Asia that would have easily lasted us a month of accommodation, food and drink. We saw a lot of people desperate to delay going to back home and were trying all sorts to stay travelling so the number of travel blogs popping up doesn't surprise me.

I think the travel thing and to some extent a lot of the media that is generated and put online these days is a bit of a double edged sword. I think there are a lot of egotistical people out there who just assume that the world is interested in what they're doing. Chances are there are hundreds if not thousands of people doing exactly the same thing.

Take motovlogging as an example. BCF seems to have a new vlogger posting to check out their channel almost weekly these days and it's usually some guy on a 125 who has no clue how to ride or someone who has just passed their test trying to give lessons in how to ride. Sure there are quite a few people interested in this sort of stuff, namely new riders or people looking to get into biking somehow but generally the masses don't really care. The vloggers then usually end up getting butthurt when their ego is bashed and they get a dressing down!

On the odd occasion that a vlogger is doing something interesting (like Baron Von Grumble from what I understand, I don't watch his stuff) then they do get a wider audience. The trouble then is you get people accusing them of selling out and "chasing the megabucks of Adsense".

I've seen a lot of that with travel stuff as well. I've read a few blogs of some of the people my wife and I met whilst travelling. Loads of tosh about the mega tourist spots in various countries lifted from Wikipedia and some stuff about whichever local bar and hostel they went to. It's probably great for their friends and family at home but why should I care about it? Yet the way they go on about being a travel blogger they make themselves sound like professional travel writers!

The flip side of course is there are a lot of people just doing this stuff for fun and as you point out, just as a memento of their trip. I've found that these blogs/videos tend to be the more interesting ones as well as they tend to be a more honest account of the experience as opposed to being filled with click bait stuff.

I enjoy making videos so I do it for fun then put the videos on my YouTube channel and possibly try and lightly promote it through relevant channels. Sometimes it works and other times I can leave the video alone for months and the views just come. I also enjoy photography and writing up some of my trips. I've written up a few motorbike trips I've made on this forum, I still may try and get my trip around Northern Thailand published in some motorbike magazine but I won't be heartbroken if it isn't published. I just had a quick look and my trip write up threads on BCF have amassed over 40,000 views to date which I think is quite respectable. I usually get good feedback in the threads and in truth that’s enough for me. I quite often go back and read my own threads when I'm bored and I still get a lot of enjoyment from reading them.

I think my point is that I would be making videos/writing stuff up on forums regardless of having the ability to monetise the content I create. Seeing as I have the option to monetise my YouTube account then I may as well. An extra €100 here and there won’t hurt! I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite when I talk about egos as I guess if I really didn't care at all about peer review then I wouldn't even post stuff online. I'm not one of those hardcore spammers though so I’ll try and sit pretty on my sort of moral (mid to) high ground Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't understand the comments some YouTuber's get about being sell outs.

Most of the content creators are doing it because it's a passion of theirs or they enjoy it. Having an ad income stream allows you to make better and more entertaining videos.

Is it fun listening to BVG riding around London? Yeah, I think it is. Would it make for better videos if he's out in Spain testing moto gp spec bikes? Hell yeah.

That shit costs a lot of money, takes organisation and time (loss in earnings from day job, etc). If you could supplement your income with ad stream revenue, that enables you to create better content, you would, wouldn't you?

At the end of the day, I wouldn't give a flying fuck if people thought I was selling out, it's not a business, it's a hobby that I would be doing anyway. If the money comes, that's a brucey bonus.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

R1 Jay wrote:
At the end of the day, I wouldn't give a flying fuck if people thought I was selling out, it's not a business, it's a hobby that I would be doing anyway. If the money comes, that's a brucey bonus.


I totally agree and I'd do the same.

It's the same with a lot of stuff though, people will always accuse someone of selling out. It's rife in the music business as an easy example.

Band A have been plodding along for a few years on the "toilet circuit" and have gained a small but loyal following. Maybe they have an EP and an album out recorded in a small studio with a "gritty" production value as it's all they could afford. Along comes big brand alcohol/energy drink/record label with an injection of cash so they can book better gigs, record in better studios and spend some money on much needed advertising. They're not swanning around in brand new tour buses or sipping champagne on their yachts or are even making enough to pay their rent. They are able to make useful contacts and generally raise their profile enough to carry on doing what they're doing though. All of a sudden that loyal fan base has decided that the band have sold out and turn their backs on the band.

What's better? The band split up due to financial hardship after one EP and one album or the band go on to create and record several more great albums just with a few big business logos on the album cover?

I know that's a grossly oversimplified example but I've seen it a few times. I know integrity comes into it at some point and you don't want to be sponsored by Red Bull if you're singing about corporate machines taking over the world or do a review of a motorbike after Mr Kawasaki gifted you a free H2 or whatever. I don't see the harm in sponsorship from whatever company if both parties are happy and transparent with it though.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 18 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm totally up for whatever people want to publish, and if they can make some coin doing it, fair play, remember it's just a game really, if you can make money doing what you enjoy then you have nailed it.

There will be wannabees and chancers just as in any walk of life, accept that, be different, be YOU, it's all you have.

Being creative, in whatever way, is what defines us, so bring on the tragic and the majestic and just DO IT ANYWAY, no one gives a shit really and you might have fun along the way.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see it as a form of jealousy personally. Like people who have watched BVG and call him a sell out.

As if you would turn down free bikes, gear, trips, etc, all funded by sponsors!

I agree with the music business, you get it all the time with DJ's who got a break and start changing their style, everyone calls them a sell out and that they're, "not the same as they used to be before they made it".
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 19 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's insane how much money people make on YouTube these days. I remember watching the likes of SeaNanners and Prosdonttalkshit/CaptainSparkles (gayest name change ever) when I wanted to learn how to play CoD better. They were awkward nerds making gameplay tips videos and now they're both millionaires Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 20 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember the top youtube earners are pumping out quality content all the time.

There's a game reviewer who makes an ok living, not the astronomical figures cited here but a few hundred quid a week, he spends 40 hours a week doing his videos.

It's like the peeps that make good money on photo sites, there's one guy who earns big but he has a team of 'uploaders' and does several hundred photos a week.

A lot of it is being in the right place at the right time, I was geeking out around the time of the dotcom boom and the money flying about was ridiculous, I knew it couldn't last but enjoyed it all the same.

Still, you could always 'break bad' if you really need silly amounts of money!
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 20 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

LooseBanana wrote:
Remember the top youtube earners are pumping out quality content all the time.

That's debatable. Wink
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 20 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the old saying? One man's meat is another man's poison.

I think it's cool that all this technology exists and has never been cheaper, if you don't like it click the X, no one accused Danny Macaskill of selling out when he signed up with red bull. He's a lad doing what he loves and risking his bones!

A lot of the naysayers are all about the jealousy, in reality you can do it too if you want, no matter what your station in life, the world is a big place, whether you are tooling about on a rat bike or planning something epic.
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