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Shreeve
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 28 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking of stripping it back but not sure how, apparently Nitromors is now rubbish and I only have a dremel as far as powered sanders go.

They really do look bent!! I can assure you they are straight, some weird camera trickery Smile
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 28 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shreeve wrote:
I'm thinking of stripping it back but not sure how, apparently Nitromors is now rubbish and I only have a dremel as far as powered sanders go.



Paint stripper still works, but it's not as agressive since they took out the dichloromethane, so it takes much longer and quite often needs multiple applications.

One of the kids at work stripped his pushbike frame with Tetrion stripper yesterday, took ages but it did work.

You can give it a helping hand by scoring the paint first.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Shaft, I'll add it to the to do list! Smile

Tackled the shocks today, no-one came forward with any gems of wisdom so I just winged it (little bit of trial and error involved). Before - I promise you these aren't bent, my phone camera is playing tricks.

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Those knee pads are saving my ability to walk, this stuff takes ages, I need a workbench...

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Comparison.

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240 Grit then 1000 Grit.

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This bit was heavily pitted, sanded it down and buffed it with the Dremel, came up ok.

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Applied some Peek Polish and back on the bike, massive difference!! I really like the satisfying jobs like this.

The detectives among you will notice the difference on the top bolts. Some bright sod has cut the right one short so it only just gets a good hold with the nut, might have to do something about that eventually...

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Last thing for today, sand off the old resin ready to stick the new emblem on. Ordered some JB Weld to do it with as heard good things.

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I bought a range of sand papers from 240 to 1500 grit to polish the engine. The sheer amount of work involved in that is making me do EVERYTHING ELSE first. Anyone want to come spend a week polishing my engine? Offering £2 an hour, a cuppa and i'll let you watch freeview on my small tele?!

Bargain that like.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good tip if you're not already aware of it are aerosols of Choke and Carb cleaner. The cheaper the better, I bought six tins of "Car Pride" at around a quid each. It shifts all kinds of oil/crap/old adhesive and leaves no residue. It's basically tricoethylene (yes I know I've spelled it wrong) so don't sniff the stuff and make sure there's plenty of ventilation. It's usually available at cheapo motoring shops and the like. If you can get it give it a try.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 29 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice, cleaning advice is very welcome as I'm literally clueless.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been a productive two days.

Hung the caliper for spraying.

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As i'm now a professional bike mechanic (please just let me have that one...) I can only work on a full stomach.

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Spray time, first time i've ever done this so I was a bit apprehensive. This was the last thing done last night before going to see Kingsman: The Secret Service - highly recommended!

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Woke up this morning as if it was Christmas, how is this stuff so exciting? Maybe the novelty hasn't worn off yet... anyway, with my new indicators here and the bar stewards having bigger bolts than the bracket allowed, this happened...

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After drilling the headlight brackets I bolted on the indicators.

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The old connections had larger bullet fixings than the new ones so I had to crimp them together.

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Somehow it worked!

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Thought I'd give the headlamp a polish while I had it off.

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The work area.

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Now that the caliper is dry it's time to reassemble!

I reckon I did an ok job on the paint! Laughing

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First, oil seal.

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Next, dust seal. Also sanded the bolts a little as they were coated in rust.

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Turns out this is an absolute arse to fit. I had to put it around the piston and use a seal pick to push it in to the groove after pushing the piston passed the oil seal, nightmare Evil or Very Mad

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With the caliper rebuilt I bolted it back on the bracket and set about putting some brake fluid back in. For some reason the brake fluid wasn't leaving the M/C so i started to investigate. Weird straight through adapter.

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Looked a bit gunky under the reservoir.

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Ok, maybe a lot gunky... think I found the source of the blockage!

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After cleaning this I had an absolute pig of a job getting the brake fluid in to the hose. I just couldn't seem to catch it and pumping the lever just moved air. I can confirm that blowing through brake hoses to see if they actually work is a bad idea btw... Sick

Eventually (and after putting my early teenage pumping muscles to good use, giggity), I managed to get it through and bled the air out. The end product - a fully functioning clean front brake Smile Though the hose is too long and looks horrendous, can't win em all!

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I learned loads doing this, 100% confident with brakes now which actually makes me feel better about owning bikes generally. The question now is, what do I do next?
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shreeve wrote:
Woke up this morning as if it was Christmas, how is this stuff so exciting? Maybe the novelty hasn't worn off yet...

If you are very unlucky, it maybe never will!
For months I have bee having to push the heads back on the cheap & nasty back indicators every time I get on... pondering cause and solution, my soft panniers and whether it was my frequent pillion.. and NOT really 'sorting' it.... until I pushed them back on t'other day, started the bike up to warm, and watched them vibrate off again..... Oh-Kay... new shiny bit's needed.
After perusing e-bay for ages, and finally settling on a pair... the glorious anticipation of arrival was some-what short-lived, the postman knocking on the door a mere 18 hours after hitting the 'Buy it Now' button to hand me my pressies Confused
So rushed out and swapped them onto the bike..... OH! the underwhelmingness of it. I was actually HAPPY that the wire on the new indies was slightly 'short' and had to take them back off to bring into the kitchen, chop the wires off the old indies, and splice to the new to stretch them.... added a whole ten minutes to the 'fun.. about half as long as I spent going 'Oooh! Works' testing it lit up.... then 'Lets try the other one... oooh! That works too.. lets see if the other one still works.... oooh" and well, you get the idea!

Tip for you while you are playing 'lectrics; get a 10A 'Electronic' flasher unit of e-bay. ; Chrystal timed, it has fixed flash-rate regardless of bulb-loading, so you dont have to worry about balencing bulb wattages; like having 21W tungstens in 'OE' lamps or 12w tungstens mini-cators, or mA LED's anywhere. No moving parts, either, they don't click or buzz or fill with water. £7.omething, they are cheaper than pattern electro-mech ones and a lot cheaper than OE. (have used that one on about five bikes so far)

Yeah.. so after twenty minutes of 'wonder' playing with a light switch, marvelling at lights lighting up... I had to turn my attention to something a little more challenging...... Grab Rail Bolts.... I had some long hex-heads with rack-spacers poking out of the recesses, from where I didn't have the OE bolts. Snowie I recall procured some new M8 Allen bolts to do her Guzzi Gearbox last springs, so I went 'hunting' for the 'spares'... after being shouted at by precious pillion for having loads of staka-boxes and ice-cream tubs littering the kitchen when she came in from school and wanted to make a sandwich.... I gave up ad ordered two to length of e-bay... OH the joy, of them NOT arrivg for two days, giving me that Kid-Before-Chrstmas glee, and anther chance to run out into the snow in my dressing gown, three days later, armed with an allen key, when they did..... Laughing

It's great... thirty years ago, you had to go to a SHOP, and be told they'd have to 'order it in'.. wait a week, drop in on the way back from school/college/wherever, each evening, to be disappointed that it was NOT 'in' yet. OR, you would have to send an SAE to M&P, from one of their adds in MCN to get a catalogue..... you could wait a fortnight for that! Then having decided what you wanted, fill in the order form in black ball-point pen; go to the post-office ad get a postal order for the exact total, or tick the box and add the surcharge for 'Cash on Delivery' (Does the Post Office still do That I wonder?) 'cos credit cards and debit cards were NOT in common usage and few only Dad, if you were lucky, had a cheque-book.... and hope some-one was 'in' AND could find the envelope you left the cash in for the postie, when your bits arrived.... Ooooh the anticipation, like Christmas, could stretch out TILL, ad BEYOND Christmas Laughing

e-bay... you can get that kid-before Christmas feeling every week!

And in fact, I think my Daughter and Snowie DO!
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the advice on the relay and the story! Smile

I certainly hope it doesn't fade, I think the Mrs is starting to feel neglected though!
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you used decent crimp connectors - good man!
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shreeve wrote:
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I'd have sent that back - someone has burnt that steak to a crisp!

Cool project by the way. Good to see some older bikes getting some love on here at the moment Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

KLR600 wrote:
Shreeve wrote:
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I'd have sent that back - someone has burnt that steak to a crisp!


My Mrs read that, she wasn't pleased Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya know what 'they' say Shreeve..........women are either good at cooking or they're good in bed......................you must be a very happy bloke !!!.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

After all this work I thought it deserved a good run, didn't miss a beat and the front brakes are brilliant if I do say so myself!

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PostPosted: 22:09 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 31 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Grief! Just read that Test Review by, no less than Brian Chrichton; who still writes, I believe for Classic M/C magazine, but the chap who took the underwhelming Norton Rotary to TT success in the 90's.
However.... to spot the irony...
"Block Tread Rear Tyre looks dated but works well"
"Engine Power* is sufficient for wheel spin 1/4 mile starts dropping the clutch at 8000rpm"

*24hp at 10,000rpm
Telling really, isn't it, that a supposedly 'good' tyre, in them days could be overwhelmed by a mere twenty four horse-power!
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 01 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ace job there Shreeve.........can't knock it......have some great rides !.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 03 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good, let me know how the paint on the caliper holds up, I may do the same to my Kwak, I am definitely going to go and replace the pistons up front, I can't think of any other reason why the front brakes are so rubbish other than that the new seals have been damaged by the pitting and leaking slightly. Embarassed

After reading Tef's post on the indicators, I just imagine him getting absolutely ecstatic every time the light flashes on, then on the verge of tears as it goes out again, before becoming over the moon that it flashes back on afterwards. Laughing In my mind, he does this for hours, sets up all of his 125's in a row and tries to sink up the flashes. Thumbs Up Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 21 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I've had some cracking rides on it and it's been an absolute champ. I think this one is a lifer, would hate to sell it.

Tonight I decided to do an oil change so started ticking it over to get up to temp, a couple of minutes in I realise there's a peculiar smell... petrol. It was pissing everywhere from somewhere around the petcock/carb and I almost shart myself when i realised petrol was leaking on to a hot engine case... Thumbs Down

I've decided this means I need to strip the whole thing down and do a slow restoration. Carbs need a clean, there's rust all over the frame and the electrics are scarier than Hellraiser when I watched it as a 9 year old.

I'll be posting here as and when I progress which won't be as rapid as the last time. See how it goes though.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 21 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A chrome sidestand eh ?........maaaan, that's cooool.......... Smile
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thoughts on Pod filters? Worth the hassle of re-jetting the carbs?

They look cool.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 22 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shreeve wrote:
Thoughts on Pod filters? Worth the hassle of re-jetting the carbs?


Nope, you'll be chasing carb settings for the rest of your natural and there's no performance gain to be had from that alone.
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Leave Pod, K & N after-market bolt-on filters a (very) wide berth they'll throw your carburation all over the shop, you'll wish you'd never seen the things. On highly modified engines with the aid of a 'dyno' where fuelling car be properly set-up they're fine but on 'standard' engines stick with 'standard' air filtration.
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Found this bikes bigger brother in someone's back garden for £100 a year ago. Needed carbs and inlet rubbers, coils and other ignition work, loom reworking, bodywork and tank, brakes servicing (added a braided hose, massive difference!) de rusting and general tart up. Now here:

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Just needs seat recovering but it's ready for MOT!
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 23 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stunning! Where did you get the tank and fairings done?

Braided hoses are on the to buy list Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 23 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shreeve, I'm looking forward to seeing your resto of this bike, it's a great little 2nd machine, and I'm glad you've found out that it's possible to have a small bike as a fun keeper too!

Oh and Damn that GS400 looks real nice indeed! They have a really classic shape to the tank and just nice lines really. Better looking than a Superdream or Yamaha XS, but I still like the Zed 250-440 twins though!
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