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PostPosted: 15:49 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP Fancy stuff or Optimax.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cc123 wrote:
How can you say it's a marketing thing for oil companies to 'big up' there special brands of fuel?? These oil/petrol companies are some of the richest in the world, why crave for more?!


They make very little on fuel sales in the UK. If they can convince people to pay (say) 5p a litre more for the fuel then that is a massive increase in the profit margin (probably 1~2p a litre otherwise), hence far higher profits.

One reason that the supermarkets are happy making next to no money on petrol is that it drags people into the shop where they can sell nce high profit items such as groceries.

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PostPosted: 15:59 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cc123 wrote:
Anyone know where to buy 'race fuel' !? Laughing Razz Thumbs Up


Anyone want to sponsor me to pay for the engine mods to take advantage of it Very Happy .

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PostPosted: 16:02 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cc123 wrote:
So many pro's and con's..............Eeeeekk !! Shocked

Anyone know where to buy 'race fuel' !? Laughing Razz Thumbs Up


heh there. careful with what fuel you use. my mate has a bandit 12
and mixes unleaded with aviation fuel{he works in an airport}
and it knackered his plugs
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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heh there. careful with what fuel you use. my mate has a bandit 12
and mixes unleaded with aviation fuel{he works in an airport}
and it knackered his plugs


Hey, I bet it goes like stink tho!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

not bad flames out the race can either. still not a fast as mine though Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cc123 wrote:
Hey, I bet it goes like stink tho!! Laughing


Jet fuel is basically parafin so useless for a car or bike engine.

The fuel used for piston engined aircraft has a very high octane rating but is designed for long stroke low revving engines and has a very slow burn speed. You would be lucky if you could get a bike engine to even start on the stuff as it would likely still be trying to burn on the exhaust stroke. Mix it with normal petrol and you might get something more useable but unless you had seriously played with the engine to take advantage of the octane rating them you would almost certainly loose a large amount of performance.

Some aviation fuels still have large amounts of lead in them, but I think these are now in quite limited supply for certain aircraft such as old military fighters. Think someone on here does restorations on these for work so hopefully they can tell you more.

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PostPosted: 16:24 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

cc123, i've seen this on a motors forum in a larger forum i visit daily and it has been posted numerous times and each time it has been totally dismissed, i'll see if i can dig out a thread and post the link here to tell you.

Only time i have noticed 'better fuel' having an effect was on a commando and that was most likely due to the fact the petrol we filled it up with before was a bit duff and that tank came from shell i think!
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it started on a car forum somewhere but still, they charge more for it so you believe it's better.....


Piece of mind and all that?
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i remember it the only vehicles that really respond better to the high octane fuels are the Jap sports cars as they are designed for the higher octane fuels.

The letter/article/whatever is just some bit of propaganda from an employee of one of those big fuel companies.

It does come down to piece of mind i suppose yea, it's fun to believe it sometimes and it did make my dads commando run a bit better (it actually sat at idle!) but we both thing that is down to the fact the petrol we put in before was a bit off if you get me.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have thought about trying optimax but never got round to it, I've never had any problems with my bike from cheap fuel. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you know even F1 cars use 95 pump unleaded Shocked
Have done for a couple of years. High performance doesn't always mean high octane.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think the TT rules mean that bikes must use fuel available on the road. One team a few years back had their bike tuned to use a fairly special fuel which they brought with them. Their argument was that it was available. That it was only available at a single pump in the middle of Silverstone circuit was not relevant!

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PostPosted: 21:38 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to put my mildly educated view across as a (student) chemical engineer...

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On average, each 50 litres brought from a supermarket will have 8% contaminates, and 9 grams of grit.

All unleaded petrol has to conform to British Standard BS7070 which defines the maximum amount of contaminants the fuel can contain, so all this talk of large amounts of gunge in supermarket fuel is very unlikely to be true, since all the petrol comes from the big oil companies' refineries anyway and they aren't in the business of making substandard fuel.

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I have got 2 test tubes sitting on my desk at work of both ESSO and Tesco regular 95 for simple comparisons when arguing these points with supermarket buyers. There is a bead in both which on the Tesco tube floats in mid suspension due to the grittiness of its petrol.


All this demonstrates is that the two fuels have different densities, most likely due to having slightly different compositions. This does not prove anything about the quality of the fuel.

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Supermarket petrol is a very dirty fuel. Any engineer of their pumps will confirm that. I have seen the results of their filters and you get everything from feathers to god knows what flowing through supermarket fuels. EVEN SAND.


Since all the fuel comes from the same refineries, any sand or whatever making it out of the petrol station is down to the cleanliness of the individual station's underground tanks, whether it's owned by a supermarket or not. There will be absolutely no sand or grit in the fuel at the refinery gate. The processing units and pumps at the refinery would get absolutely shagged if there was any solids in the liquid passing through them, so it is all removed at an early stage in the refining process.

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All supermarket fuels come from either the Matex or Purfleit refineries for the south east. These only take oil from the eastern block. They are most definately NOT the same fuels as ESSO and such like.


While it is true that crude oil has a different composition depending on where it comes from (e.g. Iraqi crude has loads of sulphur in it compared to North Sea crude), the end product is always the same. Esso, BP, Shell etc will have very exacting standards for the composition of the petrol they produce and they will adjust the units in the refinery to suit - no two deliveries of crude will ever be exactly the same.

Apart from that, I think it was a pretty valid article Smile
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

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These oil/petrol companies are some of the richest in the world, why crave for more?!


That's a bit naive if it's a serious comment. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 27 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two words "paper filter" any fuel filth should be picked up, they only cost about £5 and take seconds to fit...

Tend to use the closest i can find, though reading that will steer me towards places other than asda and the like..

The only place i make a special effort to go to sometimes is a small "local" station, two pumps and thy do it by hand (not that i let them tho Razz ) apparently the last fuel crisis they were only serveing customers who were there reguarly, which i though was ace, appart from 20p cheeper after a fillup (wooo indeed)...

I do use redex every so often though, the 300bhp extra BS i dont believe, but the difference is noticeable (only a bit) so i've no doubt its doing good to the carbs e.t.c. on old/simple engines its worth it, modern 4s doubtful it will make the slightest difference...
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 28 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I normally always use Optimax or BP ultimate or as a last resort super unleaded in my bike. I think that with a 12.8:1 compression ratio the higher 97-98RON fuels must be better for it. I'll have a chat about fuels when i book my bike in for dynojetting when its back on the road. It was interesting to see in RIDE that Optimax etc, does actually give a tiny but measurable increase in power and throttle response over normal unleaded. Ive got a 4degree ignition advancer to go on my bike, so i guess its will be advantagous to use Optimax all the time when its set up properly.

Im my Car i use Optimax nearly always too, as its the idea of it keeping the engine clean that appeals to be. My Car does not have a knock sensor (Rover K-series engine) but when ive carried out some tuning modifications later this year, im going to have a auxillary ECU fitted, that can be programmed to take advantage of using a higher grade fuel, and on similar engines/Cars to mine it has shown a 2-3bhp gain on top of the normal gains made from chipping the engine, and i want to get every last bhp i can from tuning, so thats why i'll probably stick to Optimax or its equivalent.
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PostPosted: 09:36 - 28 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

F.Y.I. California's current higest octane rating for pump gas is 91.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 28 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

stevo as b4 wrote:
It was interesting to see in RIDE that Optimax etc, does actually give a tiny but measurable increase in power and throttle response over normal unleaded.


Suspect that although they could measure it you would not feel it. The difference was ~2%, where few people would notice anything below a 5%~10% gain.

stevo as b4 wrote:
Ive got a 4degree ignition advancer to go on my bike, so i guess its will be advantagous to use Optimax all the time when its set up properly.


If you use that then I suspect the high octane fuel will become essential, with the risk of serious pinking and engine damage if you used normal unleaded with it.

stevo as b4 wrote:
im going to have a auxillary ECU fitted, that can be programmed to take advantage of using a higher grade fuel, and on similar engines/Cars to mine it has shown a 2-3bhp gain on top of the normal gains made from chipping the engine


May seem like a strange question, but as all that chipping it will do is change the fuel map / ignition map which is all that you are likely to do with an auxillary ecu, why do you need the auxillary one? Would it be cheaper / easier to just get a chip custom burnt, or are there limits on the Rover system to how much you can adjust the fueling / ignition?

california_rookie wrote:
F.Y.I. California's current higest octane rating for pump gas is 91.


That is the PON, an average of the RON figure (used in Europe) and the MON figure. Very rough rule of thumb for road fuels, the MON figure is 10 below the RON figure, so your 91 octane is about equivalent to European 96 octane fuel.

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:16 - 28 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good old fashioned leaded 4 star, if I can find it, like rockin' horse poop now! Twisted Evil
If not 4 star lead replacement, which is also getting harder to find. Evil or Very Mad
Failing that, the green tap stuff with an additive. Wink
Will now look out for the decent green stuff now, if I have to put that in! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 28 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think my poor Honda CLR125 12BHP would appreciate anything other than standard unleaded Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 28 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

78p unleaded, none of the 86p super unleaded crap.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 28 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's green, it goes in. Simple.

I tend to avoid BP and Esso like the plague, they're really rather expensive compared to the supermarkets. If I was going to shop in a supermarket, it wouldn't be as a result of being lured in by the petrol either. Do they really think that selling cheap petrol is going to make people buy their groceries in preference to going to a different supermarket? Supermarkets are all the same, as is their fuel. Adequate.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 29 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supermarket fuel prices means nothing to me. I could not be arsed wasting 15 mins of my life queueing, all in order to save 50p on a tank of petrol.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 29 Jan 2005    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm running with Esso Supreme, keeps my baby running sweet.
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