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heh there. careful with what fuel you use. my mate has a bandit 12
and mixes unleaded with aviation fuel{he works in an airport}
and it knackered his plugs ____________________ !!MADE IN SCOTLAND.WHERE THE MEN ARE MEN
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not bad flames out the race can either. still not a fast as mine though  ____________________ !!MADE IN SCOTLAND.WHERE THE MEN ARE MEN
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 cc123 Geez a joab?

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I think it started on a car forum somewhere but still, they charge more for it so you believe it's better.....
Piece of mind and all that? ____________________ Old bikes >>> https://www.bikepics.com/members/cc123/ |
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Have thought about trying optimax but never got round to it, I've never had any problems with my bike from cheap fuel.  |
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| Fortuna |
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Did you know even F1 cars use 95 pump unleaded
Have done for a couple of years. High performance doesn't always mean high octane. |
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I'd like to put my mildly educated view across as a (student) chemical engineer...
| Quote: | On average, each 50 litres brought from a supermarket will have 8% contaminates, and 9 grams of grit. |
All unleaded petrol has to conform to British Standard BS7070 which defines the maximum amount of contaminants the fuel can contain, so all this talk of large amounts of gunge in supermarket fuel is very unlikely to be true, since all the petrol comes from the big oil companies' refineries anyway and they aren't in the business of making substandard fuel.
| Quote: | I have got 2 test tubes sitting on my desk at work of both ESSO and Tesco regular 95 for simple comparisons when arguing these points with supermarket buyers. There is a bead in both which on the Tesco tube floats in mid suspension due to the grittiness of its petrol. |
All this demonstrates is that the two fuels have different densities, most likely due to having slightly different compositions. This does not prove anything about the quality of the fuel.
| Quote: | Supermarket petrol is a very dirty fuel. Any engineer of their pumps will confirm that. I have seen the results of their filters and you get everything from feathers to god knows what flowing through supermarket fuels. EVEN SAND. |
Since all the fuel comes from the same refineries, any sand or whatever making it out of the petrol station is down to the cleanliness of the individual station's underground tanks, whether it's owned by a supermarket or not. There will be absolutely no sand or grit in the fuel at the refinery gate. The processing units and pumps at the refinery would get absolutely shagged if there was any solids in the liquid passing through them, so it is all removed at an early stage in the refining process.
| Quote: | All supermarket fuels come from either the Matex or Purfleit refineries for the south east. These only take oil from the eastern block. They are most definately NOT the same fuels as ESSO and such like. |
While it is true that crude oil has a different composition depending on where it comes from (e.g. Iraqi crude has loads of sulphur in it compared to North Sea crude), the end product is always the same. Esso, BP, Shell etc will have very exacting standards for the composition of the petrol they produce and they will adjust the units in the refinery to suit - no two deliveries of crude will ever be exactly the same.
Apart from that, I think it was a pretty valid article  ____________________ Monster m600
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Two words "paper filter" any fuel filth should be picked up, they only cost about £5 and take seconds to fit...
Tend to use the closest i can find, though reading that will steer me towards places other than asda and the like..
The only place i make a special effort to go to sometimes is a small "local" station, two pumps and thy do it by hand (not that i let them tho ) apparently the last fuel crisis they were only serveing customers who were there reguarly, which i though was ace, appart from 20p cheeper after a fillup (wooo indeed)...
I do use redex every so often though, the 300bhp extra BS i dont believe, but the difference is noticeable (only a bit) so i've no doubt its doing good to the carbs e.t.c. on old/simple engines its worth it, modern 4s doubtful it will make the slightest difference... ____________________ >RidingSkills<->Tech Tips<->MyBikes< |
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | It was interesting to see in RIDE that Optimax etc, does actually give a tiny but measurable increase in power and throttle response over normal unleaded. |
Suspect that although they could measure it you would not feel it. The difference was ~2%, where few people would notice anything below a 5%~10% gain.
| stevo as b4 wrote: | Ive got a 4degree ignition advancer to go on my bike, so i guess its will be advantagous to use Optimax all the time when its set up properly. |
If you use that then I suspect the high octane fuel will become essential, with the risk of serious pinking and engine damage if you used normal unleaded with it.
| stevo as b4 wrote: | im going to have a auxillary ECU fitted, that can be programmed to take advantage of using a higher grade fuel, and on similar engines/Cars to mine it has shown a 2-3bhp gain on top of the normal gains made from chipping the engine |
May seem like a strange question, but as all that chipping it will do is change the fuel map / ignition map which is all that you are likely to do with an auxillary ecu, why do you need the auxillary one? Would it be cheaper / easier to just get a chip custom burnt, or are there limits on the Rover system to how much you can adjust the fueling / ignition?
| california_rookie wrote: | F.Y.I. California's current higest octane rating for pump gas is 91. |
That is the PON, an average of the RON figure (used in Europe) and the MON figure. Very rough rule of thumb for road fuels, the MON figure is 10 below the RON figure, so your 91 octane is about equivalent to European 96 octane fuel.
All the best
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Good old fashioned leaded 4 star, if I can find it, like rockin' horse poop now!
If not 4 star lead replacement, which is also getting harder to find.
Failing that, the green tap stuff with an additive.
Will now look out for the decent green stuff now, if I have to put that in!  |
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I don't think my poor Honda CLR125 12BHP would appreciate anything other than standard unleaded  |
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78p unleaded, none of the 86p super unleaded crap. ____________________ Northern Irish? www.nibikers.com |
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If it's green, it goes in. Simple.
I tend to avoid BP and Esso like the plague, they're really rather expensive compared to the supermarkets. If I was going to shop in a supermarket, it wouldn't be as a result of being lured in by the petrol either. Do they really think that selling cheap petrol is going to make people buy their groceries in preference to going to a different supermarket? Supermarkets are all the same, as is their fuel. Adequate. ____________________ I must not be a troll...
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 21 years, 138 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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