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| Nick 50 wrote: | So when you planning on swapping?
If all goes to plan, hopefully i'll get mine done on Sat morning. The weekend looks dry over here so will give me a chance to give them a good run in and see how they feel. |
Well, friday is the day, we should have nice weather here, 16°C and sunny, so I arranged a short trip with my mates. I won't be pushing it that hard, there are two ninja 250's in the pack. I'm getting those four bolts tommorow, my mate says he can get me some.
The first corner shall be fun 
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| Posted: 23:36 - 06 Nov 2013 Post subject: |
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| evoboy wrote: |
The thread pitch might be slightly different. Cant quite remember on that one as I stuck braided lines on both of the bikes I fitted them to, specifying for banjo bolts to fit those calipers.
As long as the mount bolts you fit have the correct shoulder on them to fit the fork legs, you shouldnt have a problem  |
The seller claimed he used them, so it has to work, I guess. If not, then I'm gonna have a word with him.
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It's done!
Definitely not a quick swap. 
Hoses are alright, they have enough space, I tried to turn the bars full left and right, pumped the front end like crazy and there's no tension nor contact of the hoses with anything around. I did a short run, about 50 miles and it worked good. It gets better and better, as you will see a in the last two pictures I made some marks on the discs to see if the calipers worked and the right one was alright after 10 miles and the left one needed a bit more miles to be done. The pads are from Nissin and as I remember, it takes about 120-150 miles before the pads work with the discs on 100%.
I had to push the pots back into the calipers to fit them, as usual, and I could do that with my thumbs, didn't even have to push it that hard, it just went in. 
The tokico's pots needed a lot more work, even had to use tools to push those little bastards back in. 
The system was filled up and bleeded in about 10 minutes, brake lever is a bit hard to squeeze (lever set on 2), but there is a plenty of brake power, too much I'd say. I tried some hard braking and WOW, that's how it's got to be and my mate says it'll get even better after I do a bit more miles on it.
So, 30 pounds well spent, I'd say...
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CHECK MARKS after 5-6 miles:
The left one: https://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae184/RhynoCZ/DSC_0147_zps6e94f41a.jpg
The right one: https://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae184/RhynoCZ/DSC_0167_zps8bb4de28.jpg
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Looking good, definitely think it was £30 well spent!
Can't wait to get mine done now! The brembo pads are sintered too so should be a very good combo. They are £30 a pair just for the pads will be pricey to replace next year lol.
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Swapped mine over this morning. I checked how many pots were working on the Tokico's, well 1 in each as it happened , no wonder they were so pants.
The Nissins are a great improvement. I think they could still do with a bit more bleeding, but will let them bed in first and see if that helps.
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| Nick 50 wrote: | Swapped mine over this morning. I checked how many pots were working on the Tokico's, well 1 in each as it happened , no wonder they were so pants.
The Nissins are a great improvement. I think they could still do with a bit more bleeding, but will let them bed in first and see if that helps. |
2 pots out of 12, that's ehm, well,
My left caliper worked alright, sort of. The right one had 2 pots that did not travel freely, so when I pushed them out with MC, they would not go back in right away, which resulted in twitching when I released the lever, quite scary. It happened the day I decided to ditch those six pots.
I still can not believe how many motorcycles use those six pots today, people who ride their bikes are lucky or must spend 90% of the season in garage cleaning them.
EDIT: Try to make the marks like I did, to see how the nissins actually work.
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| Posted: 00:30 - 15 Nov 2013 Post subject: calipers |
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| Posted: 21:32 - 17 Nov 2013 Post subject: tokicos |
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| Posted: 16:39 - 18 Nov 2013 Post subject: Re: tokicos |
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with a bit of TLC they can be made good but yes theres always a but! you must keep on top of them
I used to strip mine at the start of the season clean them all up and put them back together
No need to replace the seals if they are good
the most important part is to make sure all the crap is out the seal groves as this is what causes all the problems! the groves arent deep enough and let all the shite in which corrodes the alloy and pushes the seals on to the pistons gripping them and seizing them
a bit of brake grease in the grove helps too
bleeding can be a right twat as the nipple isnt at the top and air gets trapped so remove a caliper at a time to bleed and wedge something in the pads to stop the pistons popping out and move the caliper in to allsorts of positions to get the air moving, lightly tapping the caliper helps too |
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| Posted: 18:09 - 18 Nov 2013 Post subject: Re: tokicos |
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| stu_m wrote: | I used to strip mine at the start of the season clean them all up and put them back together
No need to replace the seals if they are good
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I did the same thing and was quite surprised when the front brake did not work as well as I wanted it at the moment and then went through the corner a bit faster than I intended. I said fxck it a put the nissins there. I'd rather have a bit worse brakes that work all the time rather than tokicos that occasionally don't at all.
500km+ after cleaning, and I was back to what it was like before I even started + that surprise moment was not nice. I'm no profesional, but if that happened to a beginner, he'd most likely crash the bike quite badly.
Loads of bikes use the six pots and work well, I don't know, maybe I'm cursed.
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Probably not the same calipers as I've got, but it makes you think. Why would they try to fabricate 6 pots, it seems to me like, it was just a experiment, today no one does 6 or even 8 pots (I've seen 8 pot caliper on a race NSR125), because the 4 pot layout is just about right. It's quite like we know, that in-line four cylinder is the best way to go with a four stroke engine, yet there were in-line 6's, V4's V6's even V8's and every one that wanted to have profit went back to the IL4.
EDIT: I know a GP500 motorcycle was lighter than most of motorcycles on the road today, but then, they went much faster, braked much harder than anyone of us on the open road.
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Today, it was time to fit the ''new'' Nissin four pots on my ZXR. So far they seem to be alright. One thing though, the bolts that hold it in the place are rather short, but other than that, I am pleased with them.
I couldn't ride it yet, it'd be stupid to ride it with too short bolts. But, nothing was dragging, everything looked good, so I think this is the last time I'm fiddling with calipers.
37.80 pounds
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These are the old ones
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It took you two years to get this done?
Edit: The ZX7R is a lovely looking back. I'm due to get a new bike this month and have my eyes on these.
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