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M.C
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 28 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
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https://www.forevergreen.org.uk/Forever_Green_Ecological_Architects/Hedgehog_Self_Build.html

"Forever" is a bit of a stretch. How long before those garden sheds rot, and what's the cost (time / money / resources) in rebuilding them ever couple of decades?

I believe Walter Segal's houses have lasted well, there are other developments (one in South London). I live in a house which was meant to last 25 years, still hear after 40+ years.

Anyway what do you want, to build nice expensive houses for people to buy off the council at a massive discount?
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 28 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Anyway what do you want, to build nice expensive houses for people to buy off the council at a massive discount?

No, I want us to muddle by for now while sterilising undesirables.

Not even JK.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 28 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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These aren't just youtubable skills they are learned over time and taught in colleges to and by people with practical aptitude.

Well no. The fundamentals are taught at college, the aptitude is taught on the job by others that have learnt before on the job in the general case. Semantics I know but applicable

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A cap on income; high enough to incentivise hard work but not enough to allow a person to stop working before the official age of retirement.
A 20-hour week.


I'm skilled working scum so the cap wouldn't affect me but the hours would. Would I have to take a paycut and be pushed towards poverty or would my pay potentially double for the same time invested? How would my employer offset the loss of me when I'm a rare commodity on the market at present?

Going just from personal, Me and people like me are recognised to be a bit rare at the moment. I'm not that bright and I'm not the best but when I hit a wall I'm willing to hit the tacks and dig in and learn thus rendering me competent. Judging by the apprentices they are farming now it's hit and miss (seriously Shocked).

Btw, that was aimed at Hetz but still an open question bitches Razz I just like his anarchist streak.

Not ready for Eugenics Roger Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sload wrote:

Well no. The fundamentals are taught at college, the aptitude is taught on the job by others that have learnt before on the job in the general case. Semantics I know but applicable


Aptitude is not taught it's innate.
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Not ready for Eugenics Roger Laughing

Every sperg is sacred?

Well, give it time, it's only going to resolve itself one of two ways: Star Trek or Idiocracy.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Correct but you got my meaning I hope.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Define "sponging". What is it you think a footballer does? Or a top CEO? Or anyone who has earned (sponged) enough in a handful of years to be able to sit on his arse for the rest of his life doing nothing if he so chooses? Are you really so blind to the obvious realities involved? Seriously?! Confused


Jealousy again tainting your viewpoint. You seem to resent anyone who has made something of their life, or went to grammar school. Why so bitter? You work for a living too don't you?

A footballer or top CEO provides a service, for which they are well paid. You may not agree with the size of their remuneration, but it's not sponging. They have a skill which earns them big money for their services.

Sponging, is sitting on your arse expecting tax payers, like footballers, CEO's and the rest of those who actually work for a living, to pay for your existence.


https://www.5thssdivwiking.net/Images/Image%20Resources/insanelaughter.jpg

Deary me, that one always gets me! "work for a living", "have a skill".

https://www.5thssdivwiking.net/Images/Image%20Resources/insanelaughter.jpg

Yeah, it must be fascinating to live in your world, where being able to kick a bag of air around or pontificate from behind a desk are considered 'skills' and 'work'. Laughing
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There is a readily apparent and observable correlation between skill/work and remuneration; the less skill you have and less work you do the bigger your salary. That's why nurses are paid a pittance while footballers are paid millions.

It's a general rule of thumb but a very valid one.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

Problem with footballers is it is an artificial market. You can't get away with just having 2 cheaper players instead, despite 2 cheaper players being far more effective than 1 expensive player.

And while a professional football player might make a fortune (but most will make very little over their lives), a professional hockey player (for example) might have a similar level of skill but have pretty much zero chance of a high income from it. As lots of people seem to be prepared to spend money on watching people kick a ball around.

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PostPosted: 11:21 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
There is a readily apparent and observable correlation between skill/work and remuneration; the less skill you have and less work you do the bigger your salary. That's why nurses are paid a pittance while footballers are paid millions.

It's a general rule of thumb but a very valid one.


You don't need to be reminded of this, I'm sure; correlation does not mean causation.

Doleys with half a GCSE, work very little and have little skill, unless thieving is a skill, they do not earn large salaries.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Presumably Comrade Corbyn would enforce pay parity for all sportspersons, regardless of sport, gender, or ability. Thinking
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Regarding pay vs productivity: It's a load of shite

TL;DW:

Mindless mechanical tasks correlate well between production and pay - work hard; get more; earn more.

Cognitive tasks showed no correlation at all, or even a negative correlation.

Above a certain salary threshold, performance doesn't get any higher.

M.I.T, Federal Reserve et al said so.

Seemed a bit weird so they tested in in a different country/culture. Same results.

Conclusion? High pay for 'better jobs' is most often total bollocks, as Hetzer says it's just people trying to maximise what they can get out of it for themselves, utterly regardless of whether it's dole scum or CEOs.

Oh but CEOs pay tax? That's kind of arbitrary because they still absorb way more money from 'the system' than they're really worth. Just like dole scum.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
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There is a readily apparent and observable correlation between skill/work and remuneration; the less skill you have and less work you do the bigger your salary. That's why nurses are paid a pittance while footballers are paid millions.

It's a general rule of thumb but a very valid one.


What do you do for a living? What skill do you provide society as a whole? How many hours a week do you do?

If it's that easy, why are you not a footballer?


Wouldn't you like to know. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
There is a readily apparent and observable correlation between skill/work and remuneration; the less skill you have and less work you do the bigger your salary. That's why nurses are paid a pittance while footballers are paid millions.

It's a general rule of thumb but a very valid one.


What do you do for a living? What skill do you provide society as a whole? How many hours a week do you do?

If it's that easy, why are you not a footballer?


From what i remember, he used to piss about with computers for 45k a year, now he's writing books for amazon begging people to buy them

Champagne socialist, usual shite
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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now he's writing books for amazon begging people to buy them

Anything I might have burned?
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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From what i remember, he used to piss about with computers for 45k a year, now he's writing books for amazon begging people to buy them

Champagne socialist, usual shite

I thought he repaired windows, and had a side business producing bricks.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Weird how people so readily use arbitrary character attacks in supposedly intelligent debate.
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Rob Fzs wrote:


From what i remember, he used to piss about with computers for 45k a year, now he's writing books for amazon begging people to buy them

Champagne socialist, usual shite


The Mensch Fallacy


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The Mensch fallacy relies upon the straw man argument that anyone that opposes neoliberal economics, must be a raving anti-capitalist tree-hugger who opposes all forms of trade. Thus if these protesters have ever bought any commodity under the capitalist system (coffee and tents are her cited examples) they must be complete hypocrites


Full article here
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Rather than being a character attack


It went from a person having an opinion on society in general, to a follow up of 4 or 5 posts from people deciding whether or not that opinion was allowed to be valid, based on the individual circumstances of the person in question.

Weird logic.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 29 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it's hard to discuss this properly because people have to carry this cognitive dissonance to actually function in the world.

So, yeah, I could iron my shirts, whiten my teeth a bit, stop the BCF, go off and become an investment banker, earn a relatively decent salary, and personally be quite well off.

In what sense is that interesting though? We all know it, it's like saying the sky is blue.

What if I want to succeed without fucking over others in the process? Manual work actually seems to be the win on that front, unless you end up on the job that takes down the estate and sticks up a bunch of bankerflats.

The question of competence is much more nuanced than people like to make it seem.

It's basically about how much you're willing to compromise your values, how old you want to be before you actually start doing what you want instead of giving your hours to someone else, etc.

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People's opinion of society in general is often tainted by their situation and surroundings.


This is basically spot on, but recognizing this in a debate is hard because it makes the goalposts different for everyone.

I spend my days with those who basically try to work the minimum amount to support the things they actually want to do.

That sounds pretty different to you, it seems like most of your hobbies require money so you work for them.

I think most of the struggles people have is that the general societal assumption is that everyone wants more, bigger, better. Most of the folk I know just want enough to live on, and free time to enjoy their hobbies/studies/whatever that are fairly cheap.

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