So, non-ABS, non-Euro 4 bikes on January 1st 2016

[Rogerborg]

There's been some back and forth over exactly when mandatory Euro 4 / ABS kicks in. Yes, January 1st 2016 for models developed after 2013, but is that for: issuing conformity certs for new models presented for testing; or a prohibition on selling them (good luck trying to stop dealers taking money); or will DVLA drop the portcullis and just stop registering Euro 4 / non-ABS bikes.

Well, after asking the DVLA this simple enough question three (3) times:

[KnightsFall]

Is there any reliable list of which models are euro 4 compliant? I cannot see this information in the spec of bikes on manufacturer sites. Dealers and reviews do not tend to mention it with consistency either. I would have thought that such "future proofing" would be a selling point worth mentioning but few seem to bother.

If it is only bikes developed in 2013 and before that get away with it for now though, what are Harley playing at with the Street 750? Can they perhaps point to it being developed somewhere in the world earlier and get a stay of execution or something? It does still seem to be shipping without ABS for 2016, though I do not know if it conforms in any other way.

[Rogerborg]

Honestly, I have no idea. Given the run-around that I was given trying to get a straight answer to a simple question, I'm not sure the DVLA does either.

My bike-in-a-box came with a Euro 3 certificate of conformity which I had to send to DVLA to register it. But it's not just emissions now, it's Euro 4 and ABS/linked brakes and OBD and anti-tamper on A1 and A2 bikes.

The "good" news is that new bike models don't come around that often and there's another year's grace for pre-2013 models. It's things like non-ABS MT-07 bikes that might get caught out, even if they're Euro 4.

Chinese importers might not have a great time of it, mind.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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[Alex A]

[Rogerborg]

[Kris]

So have they sent letters out to dealers then?

I bet that they haven't.
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[DrSnoosnoo]

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[Rogerborg]

If you happen to search for "mandatory motorcycle ABS dft" (and who wouldn't?) then you'll find this:

https://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/vehicletype/revised-framework-directive-motorcycles.asp

[DrSnoosnoo]

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[ScaredyCat]

Ok, so with EURO 4 new bikes must comply with emissions.

So when will the VED be scaled down for those bikes to match. They'll have no real excuse at that point. New bikes must comply so must be compliant ...
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[Alex A]

VED for Motorcycles is just fine as it is!

Have you seen the cost of VED on the new bands for 'performance' cars?

[grr666]

[Rogerborg]

At the moment, VED is based purely on CO₂. Funnily enough, that's not a component of the Euro 3 / 4 / 5 test regimes. They cover CO, NOx and particulates.

And a good thing too, because CO₂ is a fairly direct measure of fuel in, and fuel in equals power generated. Limit CO₂ and you essentially limit power.
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[.Chris.]

It seems that CO2 figures are beginning to appear for bikes. One review of the new Triumph Street Twin mentions a CO2 output of 87g/km. That would qualify for free road tax if it was a car, but then again that is a fairly low-powered bike (~55bhp), although the engine is quite large. I wouldn't get too worried about bike VED being linked to CO2 output though - car VED is being flat-rated other than for the first year for cars registered from April 2017 onwards.
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[MCN]

It reads like the DVLA bloke/speshalista has just got out of his bed and scribbled down a response.

There have got to be exceptions.

How is it/will it be possible to register classic cars etc. that have never been registered?

Ye canny beat SA99 1BA for making things more difficult than need be.

This guy works for DVLA and was silly enough to tell someone down the pub last night.
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[DrSnoosnoo]

I'm going to bump this thread.

Do we know more info of when EuroIV will be enforced? Is it end of this year? So all non compliant machines must be registered before end of year?

I can only really find older information from MCN and the like saying that yeah, from 2017 Euro4 has to be in.

Sounding like a pikey vulture, will dealers be wanting rid of the unfit stock?
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[arry]

Still unclear.

There's been less light shed on the matter than Joseph Fritzl's grandchildren.

[linuxyeti]

Hi All

There is a loophole that exists, even after January 1st 2017, a limited number of bikes can be sold in the UK and Europe under ‘derogation’ rules. The bikes have physically to be in UK/EU by January 1 2017, and the dealers then have until December 31st 2018 to register them !

See the linky here ...

https://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/additional/files/legislation/information-notices/information-sheet-guidance-for-motorcycle-scooter-and-moped-retailers-may-16.pdf
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[DrSnoosnoo]

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[Rogerborg]

Yup, Doovla are busily kick kicking the can even further down the road.

Given that they never bothered to enforce the rules that should have kicked in at the start of 2016, I can't see them, importers or dealers really giving much of a stuff about how many non-bollocks bikes get registered over the next few years.

Splendid.
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[Azoth]

In general, it's better to be proactive than reactive. However, this is one of those times when it's better to let sleeping dogs lie, and not to seek further clarification. Some laws are so obviously ridiculous to everyone that there's no room for maneuvre except for a lobby to turn the absurdity ratchet another notch.
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[dydey90]

Maybe they're just sweeping it under the rug and hoping that brexit will save them from all the work?
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