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Charlie kifford
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: What bike is suitable for me Reply with quote

Hi all, I’m after a bit of advice on a 3 wheeled motorcycle please

I have a physical disability meaning that I am unable to ride a 2 wheel bike due to my poor balance. I am unable to drive a car but want something to get me from a to b. I thought a moter trike could be suitable for me, has anyone got any information about whether a trike would be suitable for me? Also, has anyone got any pointers on where I could try one on a private track or similar to help me make my mind up on the suitability of these for me?
I’m based in East Sussex.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't you drive a car?

Modifying cars is much easier than modifying bikes/trikes for disabilities.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trikes - Cunningly combining the lack of manoeuvrability of the car with the exposure to the weather of the motorcycle.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition there is the whole mobility scheme for disabled people which uses the mobility element of DLA to provide cars on rental terms and modify them for disabled people.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 26 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trikes are in many ways the worst of both world's between a motorbike and a car. They're missing a chunk of what makes motorbikes fun (ability to lean in corners and filter through traffic), and missing a lot of makes cars practical (weather protection and storage for shopping etc.). If you want practical transport (rather than a toy) they're unlikely to be the best option, but it would really help to know why you can't drive a car. But if you absolutely must get the wind in your hair (and the flies in your teeth) when you have balance issues, these are your basic options -

Arrow "Traditional" Trike - These usually look more or less like a motorcycle, but with 2 wheels on the back with an axle. There are very few factory made ones, almost all them have been modified into trikes by a man in a shed. Maybe he was a brilliant engineer. Maybe he was a moron. Hopefully the former. Either way, if something goes wrong, getting parts may be a problem. They're also quite rare and very expensive generally.

Arrow Outfit - This is a motorcycle with a sidecar fitted. These are also generally created by a man in a shed (see above). They have a bizarre geometry that means riding one is an experience like nothing else, right hand corners need to be treated totally differently from left hand ones for example. Very odd, and also rare, but they are a bit cheaper than trikes.

Arrow Quad - Not a trike obviously, but there are loads of factory made road legal ones for sale, and like a trike, you don't have to wear a helmet if you don't want to.

Arrow Trike Car - Also factory made, there's a load of different makes, but it's basically just a car missing a wheel and a load of practicality. If you want one of these you really should just get a car.

Arrow Piaggio MP3 - If it must be a 3 wheeler, you need practical transport, and you have balance issues, this is your best option as far as I know. It's basically a big scooter with 2 wheels at the front. At slow speed the wheels lock in line with one another so you can't fall over. At speed they move independently so you can lean into bends like a "normal" motorbike. They make them in a few different engine sizes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvSkksq510s

Arrow Yamaha Niken - Just remembered this one too. Same idea as the Piaggio MP3 but more "futuristic sportsbike" (and more money).
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are Nippi trikes which are designed for wheelchair users, but you could always fit a seat.

50cc so dog-slow but better than walking.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234712796436

See the NABD website for more info on what you can and can't di on terms of licencing etc.I think you'd need a provisional licence and CBT (which can be done on a trike if you're registered disabled).
https://www.nabd.org.uk/current-laws/
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also the Honda Gyro.
https://youtu.be/gmnLSynWpq8
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an old-school solution. As mentioned, it might not be a perfect solution. Someone who lives for bikes and then loses a limb would face serious psychological challenges. In those circumstances, a trike might fit the bill. Not as a technological solution (as mentioned, it won't lean or handle well) but as a way of giving that person a bit of hope or quality of life back. Is that you? Only you will know.
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Balancing a motorcycle is a lot easier than you think it is. Its way easier than a pushbike for example. I'd not discount riding one until you've tried it.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, some really helpful information!

I am unable to drive a car because of spacial awareness difficulties, I thought a trike would be good as it’s a lot narrower. Plus a trike would be better than a two wheeled bike due to my balance.

I’ve looked in to an MP3 bike and am i right thinking you still have to lean to keep balance due to no self levelling whilst riding?
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite frankly I you cannot drive a car due to spacial awareness issues you will have the same issues with any type of vehicle
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charlie kifford wrote:
Thanks guys, some really helpful information!

I am unable to drive a car because of spacial awareness difficulties, I thought a trike would be good as it’s a lot narrower. Plus a trike would be better than a two wheeled bike due to my balance.

I’ve looked in to an MP3 bike and am i right thinking you still have to lean to keep balance due to no self levelling whilst riding?


Most traditional trikes are are only a bit narrower than a car (and some not narrower at all), and because the widest part (the rear wheels) is behind you, you need to have spacial awareness of them to avoid clipping cars/bollards/kerbs. Obviously, the consequences of getting this wrong are likely to be a lot more serious than in a car. If that's the reason you aren't driving a car, I'm not sure they're a good option. At least with the widest part in front (like the MP3) you can actually see if you're going to clip anything.

And yes, you do need to lean to keep balance on the MP3 above walking pace as far as I'm aware, but as MarJay says, this may be easier than you think.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
Most traditional trikes are are only a bit narrower than a car (and some not narrower at all), and because the widest part (the rear wheels) is behind you, you need to have spacial awareness of them to avoid clipping cars/bollards/kerbs. Obviously, the consequences of getting this wrong are likely to be a lot more serious than in a car.

Exactly this... in a car, which is essentially the same width from front to back, you can see how big your vehicle is when you're judging gaps etc... on a trike you can't, and basically have to remember that there's a hell of a lot more width behind you that you can't see.

If you have spatial awareness issues then a trike is a FAR worse option than a car...
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might be worth seeing how you get on with an electric trike first? You'll get 15mph out of one and they don't need a licence.

https://jorviktricycles.com/tricycles/electric-tricycles

https://www.alpineelectricbikes.co.uk/

https://www.getcycling.org.uk/product-category/tricycles/

https://missioncycles.co.uk/product/e-mission-white/
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have proven to my self that going at lower speeds, my awareness problems are far less of an issue. From what I’ve read trikes are limited to 28 mph so i would be fine with that
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to clarify also, I ment a 3 wheeled scooter type bike as opposed to a proper trike.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no 3 wheeled mopeds to be best of my knowledge so it won't be restricted to 28mph
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
There are no 3 wheeled mopeds to be best of my knowledge so it won't be restricted to 28mph


Aside from the one Stinkwheel mentioned? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234712796436
44Teeth did one of their "Budget Bike Battles" using one too - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrse9XGfDD8&list=PL17EJR_05MHcKw0aur99m7iAWPQgvHxOE
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:

44Teeth did one of their "Budget Bike Battles" using one too - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrse9XGfDD8&list=PL17EJR_05MHcKw0aur99m7iAWPQgvHxOE

Just started watching that. Looks like I'm getting nothing done tonight. Episode 1 almost finished. Like a Top Gear
challenge on bikes, with swearing. Brilliant. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 27 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant ones that are bikes. Op was talking about ones with 2 wheels in the front.

2 wheels that far apart aren't considered bikes.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 28 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Just started watching that. Looks like I'm getting nothing done tonight. Episode 1 almost finished. Like a Top Gear
challenge on bikes, with swearing. Brilliant. Thumbs Up

Jesus Christ! Talk about prophetic. Boothy, the guy in the wheelchair 2 stroke Piaggio thing lost half a leg at the TT.
I don't follow motorsport so had no idea. After the fun of that budget bike series I subscribed and have been watching
some other 44Teeth content. Was quite shocked to see that. Bloody hell. Pale Got to admire his attitude to such a shocking injury.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 28 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

He seemed pretty poorly at the TT with that bout of tonsillitis. I used to get it from time to time and it CAN make you feel rough AF.
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Not as rough as losing 50% of your toes.
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