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Posted: 10:19 - 12 May 2024 Post subject: |
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Depends...
If you're following manufacturer recommendations on a newer bike because warranty/history/convention/resale, then follow what it says regarding mileage/time (whichever occurs soonest).
If it's a middle age runabout with no eye to resale and unlikely to be a "future classic", then I'd be judging it on the oil - if it's clean and good I'd leave it for a couple of changes, if I bothered changing the oil at all if it's that good. Modern (since about 1986 ) oils are good for at least a few thousand miles and a fair few years as long as it's not ridden hard and put up wet.
Really old engines that sit for months on end and are only used high days and holidays - oil flush and change before putting away, way overfilled, then new oil and filter at the commencement of each riding period. ____________________ Any and all advice given should not be followed - if you have to ask it means you don't know so get a man in to do it for you. |
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Posted: 11:02 - 12 May 2024 Post subject: Re: oil change |
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to v or not to v wrote: | my annual mileage is below 1000. do i need to change the oil filter along with the oil at the yearly service? it seems wasteful for the small amount of usage its had. |
Project Farm did a very nice comparison on this very subject.
https://youtu.be/T-yt5a1cWd4?si=2uzE3iHNj0l6zF_1
Bottom line, no massive need to replace oil at low miles.
Caveat, depends on what conditions the oil has been exposed to.
Short stop-start, cold engine conditions where water vapour and unburned fuel in the combustion space may be a small issue. The more cold runs it does, statistically, the more exposure to that type of stress.
Doing an oil filter change 'properly' is possibly more effective as a maintenance regime as doing frequent oil services.
The oil to be changed must be very well mixed, and warm enough to drain freely.
Solids in the oil can fall out of suspension when sitting for some time.
Like it says on the Italian Salad dressing, Shake well.
Also, every biker should, realistically, and in theory have clashed together a friction tester like Project Farm's one.
You know you want/need one. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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The way I see it is oil is to lubricate, the filter is to remove particulates. The lubrication properties of the oil is a function of both mileage and time. The production of particulates is a function of mileage alone. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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That MCN sed
"We have pickups with 1500000 kilometres on the engines and transmission.
Used in +50°C desert conditions. (Mostly motorway)"
Motorway?, yeah right, mortarway more like
https://imgur.com/YiuuL4M.jpg ____________________ bikers smell of wee |
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WD Forte wrote: | That MCN sed
"We have pickups with 1500000 kilometres on the engines and transmission.
Used in +50°C desert conditions. (Mostly motorway)"
Motorway?, yeah right, mortarway more like
https://imgur.com/YiuuL4M.jpg |
Things of that nature.
Alhamdulillah School of Advanced Motoring.
Alan's Snack Bar School of Motoring.
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Mainly agricultural side of things.
They drive a vehicle like they do a camel/pony/donkey or woman.
Like they stole it. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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There's no way I would change the oil based on time, not with modern oils anyway. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Posted: 20:33 - 12 May 2024 Post subject: |
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I don't do it often other than mileage now too. Cars, bikes included.
Didn't change the CX oil for 4 years, just kept topping it up with old oil from the car. ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 17k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 9k, MZ TS150 - 9k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 (295cc) - 38k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 49k. |
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