I had a tree. Who knows trees?

[NBO]

Hi, I am looking for some ideas and help.
You see, I had this tree up the top of my drive, kind of nice looking tree, about 8ft tall and quiet chunky, nice red leaves in the autum, that's all I know about this tree apart from it's dead now

Last year this tree was alive and well, and I liked it, whereas next door neighbour didn't like the tree. He wanted the tree gone because of other little trees growing in his lawn, he asked last year if we could cut it down, I said no but I was willing to keep his side trimmed back and to pick up the leaves but that wasn't acceptable on his part.

Now, this is where I get a bit suspicious, this fella is a gardner, and I am wondering if there was any sort of chemical that could of been used to kill the tree inside say six months and make the whole thing rot? or if my suspicious mind has gone too far what could of killed it?

Anyone know trees?

[veeeffarr]

I'd be suspicious too, but I nothing about gardening, I'd presume that he could've done something to kill it though.

[Bullet]

copper nails at the base, or indeed copper wire wrapped around the trunk at the base, cut through the bark, almost impossible to spot and will easily kill a tree that fast without any obvious cause. id go inspect around the base very carefully, the bark may have recovered over any obvious nasties but will leave 'scarring' (is it called scarring on a tree?!?) if you find any foul play youd still be hard pressed to prove it was your neighbour all you can do is replace it with something that grows even bigger.. and do the 'i know it was you you know it was you, i cant proove it but if anything happens to my new tree il cut ya balls off with a rusty spoon' conversation, but thats just me!
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It's Winter, trees usually look dead...

[Barney]

Like Bullet said, nails or any scarring to a tree can kill it. As soon as an object opens up the bark it lets in bacteria and can infect the tree blocking up the xylem and plhoem which transfers the water and nutrients.

Id be suspicious. By the sound of it, an 8ft tree should be quite young, it shouldn't just die in only 6 months.

If theres no evidence on the tree that suggests your neighbour has killed it (e.g. copper nails) he could have sprayed the leaves with a high concentration of urea, nitrogen fertilizer.

Bit of a tough one though
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[zephyrgirl]

Plant some nice Leylandii, your neighbour will love it.
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[stinkwheel]

If you are certain he did it, plant a leylandii hedge right along the border between your two houses. That will give him the shits because it grows ludicrously fast and will block all light from his garden within 18 months.

If you REALLY want to piss him off, get some japanese knotweed and plant it about the place (an impossible weed to get rid of). You wont be able to by the stuff but it grows about the place and takes readily. Advice to gardners if they have a problem with it is 'move house'.

Oh, ooh. Sprinkle mint seeds in his lawn, incredibly tenacious stuff is mint.

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[veeeffarr]

Lots of Japanese Knotweed in Warrington... It's a utter twat.

[WR450_geezer]

I can't help with the dead tree I'm afriad.

But I would imagine planting some of these would seriously piss your neighbour off. Happy planting.

WR
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[base]

do you have any picture of it to start with last autum did you notice any fungal brackets anywhere on the tree? did you notice a decline in amount of leaves? really need to know what sort of tree it was. you can poision a tree there are enough nasty chemicals around has he dug up any roots to your knowledge? is the tree still there? a picture of it would be useful there are many reasons trees fail. you mention there being rot, nothing to my knowledge that we use to kill stumps rots them away within 6 months

[hellkat]

Maybe he just pissed on it every night on the way home from the pub.

Mate of mine had the most fantastic rosemary bush outside his front door, massive and green. But on the way home every night, he was busting for a wee, so he used to go for a slash on the rosemary bush before he went indoors - which, after a while, certainly started to kill it off

He reckoned he liked the smell of rosemary when the piss warmed it up
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[hellkat]

I forgot what I was posting about, with all that waffle.

Stinkster's right : Mint is good. Even if you wrench it out by the roots, it only needs a tiny rootlet to remain and up it pops again in the springtime.

You could just shit on his lawn, of course.

Cos I bet if he's a gardener, he's dead proud of his lawn.
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"Kilrock K" I assume would do a very nasty jobby of his grass as is used commercially to remove unwanted moss etc, and im pretty sure popel use it to remove gardens
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[TOM M]

Intoduce a few moles into the area, that will fuck his lawn up
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[Kwaks]

Died in 6 months? sounds like the copper trick to me as well. Easy solution, get down to the local diy and do the same to his trees, my suggestion would be to use the nail in a root as it will kill the tree slower than the wire,giving him plenty of time to worry about it and spend money on fertilizers etc. Start off with the one closest to your departed tree,if he replaces it then take out the new one and the next one along. Drop the suggestion that it must be some sort of disease at it started with your tree and is moving along as it passes from tree to tree.

If he's got a few trees in his garden you could have years of amusement with this Add that to the thought of his costs to keep replacing the wee trees he has and there is nothing he can say unless you are caught red handed.

[xlizx]

Dig it up, plant another one. Claim Tree One was pregnant and had a baby tree.
If you dig up the dead tree, you'll be more able to saw it open and stuff, maybe find out what really happened. Like a tree autopsy. If it was just bad luck or you got no evidence to go by, let it go but keep your eyes open. If there's foul play, get a dog and have children, the noise and mess should drive him insane.
Maybe gwt some cctv, or a fake camera and tell him in passing conversation that you're installing it because of 'past vandalism' to your property?

[Paul@125power]

I know a lot about trees and plants in general due to the large module I covered in A level biology.

(puts on megga thick glasses)

There is lots of ways to kill trees, most of the ways are the same as killing a flower or plant because they are in same basic unit, a plant cell.

I suppose the easiest and quickest way to kill a tree apart from cutting it down is to poision it via any chemical that will interfere with photosynthesis, either this be by denaturing enzymes in the Calvin cycle by changing pH or by the chemical acting as an active site competitor, some how messing with the RuBP (ribulose bisphosphate), NADP (nicotinamide diphosphate) or denaturing the Rubisco enzyme (ribulose-1,5-bisphosphate carboxylase ),stopping ATP production by contaminating the non-cyclic and cyclic phosphorylation, taking up the electron donors and acceptors in the electron transport chain, interfering with light-dependant and light independent stages by adding a strong alkali that will take up Hydrogen ion during photolysis instead of interacting with NADP to form NADPH needed for the light independent stages or any other molecule that has greater affinity for the substrates involved.

I suppose the most likely is to kill or inhibit the functioning of the PS 2 (170) and PS 1 (160) photosynthetic pigments (alpha and beta chlorophyl) that start the whole process in the chloroplasts by its electrons being excited to a higher energy level via photon energy (light reaching the pigments in the thylakoid membranes and in the granum), then working its way down lower energy levels via electron acceptors while providing energy for ATP production (Adenosine triphosphate)

And that only on a molecular level, other processes can be damaged like transpiration, blockages of the sources and sinks during carbohydrate production from leaves, blockages of the xylem and phloem...this could go on!

(takes them off)

In other words....F*ck knows..it could be anything mate
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[lozzypop1]

did the tree have maple type looky likey leaves?
if yes then it would be a japenese maple (or acer to give it correct term)
can pick them up in most garden centres!
As for your neighbour..... jayes fluid on his lawn will kill EVERYTHING it touches! Really does sound like foul play!
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[innominate]

Oi gardening people.


My lawn seems to be composed of 90% moss now.
Is there anything I can do to get the grass back?


looks OK, but its a bit squidgy underfoot.
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