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Ian (GPX) |
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Ian (GPX) Brolly Dolly
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Posted: 13:40 - 30 Nov 2004 Post subject: Congestion charge may rise to £8 |
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London's congestion charge should be increased to £8, Mayor Ken Livingstone has proposed.
Mr Livingstone has asked Transport for London (TfL) to begin consulting on a £3 increase for a private car to enter the central zone.
He added the earliest the proposed change could be introduced would be July next year.
But he said he wanted the charge for "commercial fleet vehicles" to rise to just £7.
Mr Livingstone said: "The congestion charge has been an unprecedented success in dramatically reducing congestion, pollution and accidents.
More here >> https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4054711.stm |
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mchaggis World Chat Champion
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Posted: 13:46 - 30 Nov 2004 Post subject: |
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Bikes don't pay the congestion charge, do they? It can only be a good thing for motorcyclists IMO if they have to watch out for more motorcycles rather than half asleep car drivers who have switched off due the boredom of crawling along in rush hour traffic. ____________________ I must not be a troll...
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tgabber Crazy Courier
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Posted: 13:50 - 30 Nov 2004 Post subject: |
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Correct, bikes don't pay the charge.
It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to think of the poor old cagers having to cough up more... ____________________ "It's all about dislocating expectation"
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Posted: 13:52 - 30 Nov 2004 Post subject: |
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... until he starts charging bikes. ____________________ 3516 Miles, 11 Countries |
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Sparks! Sir Tart-a-lot
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Posted: 13:58 - 30 Nov 2004 Post subject: |
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Don't get too smug, it won't be long before bikes have to pay congestion fees too, when everyone can't afford to drive their cars to London, so they all buy scooters then scooters will clog the roads and then they will put in scooter congestion fees to cut the traffic down so everyone will be forced to buy push bikes, at which point the roads will be clogged with push bikes so they will introduce a push bike congestion charge which of course no one will afford so everyone will have to walk....
...until of course the roads are clogged with pedestrians clogging up Londons roads so they'll bring in a walking congestion charge, probably something like £0.50p a step and they will have stealth speed cameras that charge you £50 quid if you walk over 5.6mph and of course new technology to improve pedestrian flow which will also charge you £50 if you walk slower than 2mph.... of course no one will afford this so they will get jobs out of London, London will become a ghost town home only to a few vigilante skateboarders who refuse to pay the fees so get chased around by special police squads in riot gear fighting non-paying congestion charge criminals!
Everyone will move to surrounding areas until the same happens there then we'll all move to France, which would technically be a good idea but if we go, everyone goes then there will be speed cameras on every corner and congestion charges all over france and europe, soon we'll have to pay "air bills" to breath and have to buy keycard top ups else we'll run out of air and die.
Eventually one day the good old timers who liked things the way they were will revolt and over-come the government and explode all speed cameras and abolish all congestion fees, which would be good but it will send the world into one massive riot and everyone would kill each other.
The end ____________________ Current Toys: 06 Yamaha WR250F | Nissan 350Z GT | Tech 4 Homes
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Kickstart The Oracle
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Posted: 14:49 - 30 Nov 2004 Post subject: |
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Hi
I suspect that given a few years bikes will be hit for the congenstion charge. While a raised charge may help those in the centre it will just further increase traffic around the outskirts of the zone.
The kengestion charge is just a tax, and I cannot vote for or against Ken "I don't have a car but spend thousands of pounds of taxpayers money on taxis each year" Livingstone. No taxation without representation .
I am not keen on London at all and generally avoid going there. The charge is just another reason on the list for avoiding the place.
Main thing it has been a success at is reducing the takings of the shops inside the charged zone.
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Posted: 14:54 - 30 Nov 2004 Post subject: |
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And because I don't live in London any more, just work there 5 days a week, I don't have a vote to try and get rid of the wanker. |
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zx636 Scooby Slapper
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Irezumi aka Reuben Carrot Top
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Posted: 15:21 - 30 Nov 2004 Post subject: |
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How do bikes cause congestion? You can fit almost 6 into the same space as one car.......
If he charges out as far as SE London im gonna start blowing things up, might cause confuse him on the math's front more though, ho-hum.
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headlamp World Chat Champion
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Korn wrote: | What would your alternative be? |
Simple - if successive governments had planned correctly, then London would have an integrated and efficient transport system involving 'park and ride' from outlying Underground stations, an inner ring (parts of which have been built around North London but nothing South of the river), an efficient tram system that follows the main routes and a Cross rail system connecting East to West. To put right now would cost literally £50billion pounds - and no government is going to allocate that sum of money, despite London and the South East, being if taken as a separate entity one of the top economies in the world. It is simply not politically expedient spending those sums and all the government does is fiddle with the present arrangements or passes the buck. It was reported earlier in the year that the 2.3 mile stretch of A40 which causes the most bottlenecks will not get the desparately needed investment, and the land is being sold to property developers. Also the Bounds Green section of the North Circular and the £700million junction improvement scheme at Henlys Corner has been modified for cyclists and buses, not the 150,000 cars that use this stretch of road in North London.
Instead we have the mess we currently have - a crumbling tube network, an inefficient road system a congestion charge scheme and traffic jams, in some places 24/7. The current government, despite promising to spend £150bn on transport in 2000 for 10 years has totally reneged on this, spending (I seem to remember) £6bn in 2002, less than half what it should have been. Motorists & other road users contribute £50bn to the Exchequer every year - and see just over 10% spent on transport.
Korn is 100% correct regarding private cars and cities - they don't mix. Livingstone's solution of buses is only half the answer, but alas there is no alternative and us Londoners can expect many more years of misery and frustration when travelling! ____________________ Using a mobile phone while driving a car should be made a capital offence! |
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Apparently there are other people fed up with the state of the transport system in London https://www.busandtube.co.uk/main.htm
I don't see this working somehow! ____________________ Using a mobile phone while driving a car should be made a capital offence! |
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Posted: 00:39 - 01 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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Remember the poll tax riots?? Oh yeah most of you were still in
nappies. Well anyway that's nothing compared to what will happen
if bikes have to pay CC.
It will be war
Personally All off roaders (4x4) should be banned from London,
that will be wonderful, would ease congestion.
And they wish to host the olympics in London, well, fat chance! |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 19 years, 178 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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