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PostPosted: 18:39 - 18 Jul 2006    Post subject: Paedophile Party : Unbelievable Reply with quote

The Netherlands cemented its reputation as Europe's most socially liberal country yesterday when a new political party formed by paedophiles was told it could contest this year's general election.

A Dutch court rejected an attempt by anti-paedophile campaigners to ban the Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party (PNVD), which wants to cut the age of consent from 16 to 12 and to legalise child pornography. "The freedom of expression, the freedom of assembly and the freedom of association should be seen as the foundations of the democratic rule of law and the PNVD is also entitled to these freedoms," the court in The Hague said in a statement

The court declared that curbs on freedom of expression could only be applied where public order is at risk. "They [opponents of the party] only want to give expression to their moral concerns. That is far from being sufficient to outlaw a party. It is up to the voter to give a judgment on the arguments of political parties," Judge H Hofhuis was quoted by the Dutch news agency ANP as telling the court.

The ruling will be seen as a powerful example of the Netherlands' liberal approach to social issues. The country has famously relaxed views on soft drugs, prostitution and gay marriage.

The paedophile party will be free to stand in November's general election if it meets the usual requirements of submitting a list of candidates and providing the signatures of at least 500 supporters.

The court's decision angered the anti-paedophile campaign group Solace, which brought the case, and whose views appear to be widely reflected in Dutch society.

No Kidding, a group campaigning for children's rights, called on the Dutch government to act against the party. "Dutch citizens must make their voices heard if we do not want to sacrifice our children to paedophile interests," it said.

The new party, which was formed in May, pledged to intensify its campaign to remove the taboo on paedophilia which, it claims, has worsened in the past decade after the arrest of the notorious Belgian paedophile Marc Dutroux. In his most notorious crime, Dutroux kidnapped and imprisoned two young girls and starved them to death.

Marthijn Uittenbogaard, the chairman of the new party, was quoted by ANP as saying: "We expected to win. We are not doing anything criminal so why should you ban the PNVD?"

The new party wants to legalise the possession of child pornography and to allow pornography to be shown on daytime television. Violent pornography would be allowed after the evening watershed, young children would receive sex education and youths over the age of 16 would be allowed to appear in pornographic films. Sex with animals would also be allowed by the party, although abuse of animals would remain illegal.

Such ideas have proved too much for 82% of the Dutch population, who want the government to outlaw the party according to a recent opinion poll. Publicity for the party last month provoked such a backlash that one of its founders had to flee a caravan park after receiving threats.

The reaction against the new party comes at a sensitive moment in Dutch history. The difficulty of integrating many members of the country's Muslim population has prompted even mainstream politicians to call for immigrants to be denied citizenship if they do not accept the country's liberal values.

Rita Verdonk, the country's immigration minister, recently caused controversy by saying that aspiring Dutch citizens should be shown a DVD highlighting Dutch liberal values. Muslims complained that this was targeted against them because it featured a gay couple kissing.

The general election was called after the coalition government collapsed in a row linked to the debate on Muslims. The small centre-right D66 party withdrew from the coalition after Ms Verdonk stripped Dutch citizenship from (and then restored it to) Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born former MP who is one of the country's sharpest critics of radical Islamists and is now to emigrate to the US.

Testing times

Events that have shaken the Netherlands' liberal reputation:

February 2002 Pim Fortuyn kicked out of the Livable Netherlands party after saying immigration should be restricted and discrimination permitted. His Pim Fortuyn List becomes the second-largest party in May's parliamentary elections

May 2002 Fortuyn shot dead nine days before elections, by an animal rights activist who said he wanted to prevent the politician exploiting vulnerable elements of society

November 2004 Film-maker Theo van Gogh murdered on an Amsterdam street by a Muslim extremist. Van Gogh had become a target because of his film Submission, which dealt with violence against women in Islam

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PostPosted: 21:45 - 18 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather them have the party and no one vote for it, than have freedom of expresion banned.

Better to discuss the issue rather than just see it as "too unpalatable" to even think about.



But is the age limit of 16 in this country fairly arbitrary?
Or was it based on something deeper?
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PostPosted: 01:40 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

How are the paedophiles getting away with...

....err...

BEING PAEDOPHILES?!
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PostPosted: 02:00 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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campaign to remove the taboo on paedophilia


WTF?!? it's a taboo for a fucking good reason.

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which, it claims, has worsened in the past decade after the arrest of the notorious Belgian paedophile Marc Dutroux. In his most notorious crime, Dutroux kidnapped and imprisoned two young girls and starved them to death.


As it should, string all the bastards up. As a parent I find it absolutley disgusting.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Paedophile Party : Unbelievable Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
The court declared that curbs on freedom of expression could only be applied where public order is at risk. "They [opponents of the party] only want to give expression to their moral concerns. That is far from being sufficient to outlaw a party. It is up to the voter to give a judgment on the arguments of political parties," Judge H Hofhuis was quoted by the Dutch news agency ANP as telling the court.


Agreed. In essence the party is no different from any other and therefore the voters should deceide.

Paedophilia is wrong.

The above statement is believed by the vast majority of people but you need to be aware that this is a social construct (I seem to be saying this a lot lately). This means that it is time and culturally sensitive: go back in time and our beliefs of what a child should and shouldn't do are very different. It will no doubt change in the future.

The party could also do some good if it is to support those who have a desire for under age (again, another social construct) children: helping get 'treatment' and staying out of trouble. There is currently no support for those before they offend.

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The paedophile party will be free to stand in November's general election if it meets the usual requirements of submitting a list of candidates and providing the signatures of at least 500 supporters.


Given the current climate towards paedophiles I'd be surprised if 500 came forward as supporters.

Zak wrote:
As it should, string all the bastards up. As a parent I find it absolutley disgusting.


And that's great, but if you were a parent in the Roman times you'd be quite happy to sell a good looking child to the highest bidder.

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young children would receive sex education and youths over the age of 16 would be allowed to appear in pornographic films


I may be wrong here but under British law, isn't this already the case? (or is it sex at 16, porn at 18?)

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Sex with animals would also be allowed by the party, although abuse of animals would remain illegal.


An animal can't consent to sex but, than again, it doesn't conent to being eaten.

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Such ideas have proved too much for 82% of the Dutch population, who want the government to outlaw the party according to a recent opinion poll. Publicity for the party last month provoked such a backlash that one of its founders had to flee a caravan park after receiving threats.


No law/ban therefore needed. The 'voters' have spoken.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Paedophile Party : Unbelievable Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
...wants to cut the age of consent from 16 to 12...

Around the world there are different ages of consent. Canada has it set at 14, but before 1890 it was 12 (click here for info).
In Europe many countries have it set to 14, in Spain it's 13 (click here for Europe info).

Not sure that clarifies anything, just putting it in context that it isn't unusual to have age of consent lower than in the UK or most of America. So sex with a 16 year old in Europe is ok, yet in the USA you 'll be a sex offender Shocked So if you have sex with a 16 year old American in Europe is that ok Confused

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PostPosted: 12:39 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am ashamed to have anything to do with that country now Crying or Very sad

thats madness!

I think we need to take the law in to our own hands now as concerned with pedoes! choose a punishment yourself one.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS whatever next Evil or Very Mad !
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
i am ashamed to have anything to do with that country now Crying or Very sad

thats madness!

I think we need to take the law in to our own hands now as concerned with pedoes! choose a punishment yourself one.


I think thats a bit harsh. They are not supporting the party, nor are they condoning the party. Instead they are allowing the public to have their say on the issue through democratic means.

this sums it up I think

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The court declared that curbs on freedom of expression could only be applied where public order is at risk. "They [opponents of the party] only want to give expression to their moral concerns. That is far from being sufficient to outlaw a party. It is up to the voter to give a judgment on the arguments of political parties," Judge H Hofhuis was quoted by the Dutch news agency ANP as telling the court.


I agree with innominate.

If you want to read something truly disturbing check out the Northern American Man Boy Love Association
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Our movement today stresses the liberation and empowerment of young people. Instead of pedagogy, democracy. Rather than a Greek love mentor-relationship, the companionship of independent and autonomous individuals. In place of male supremacy, a vision of sexual, economic, and political liberation for all. Freedom is indivisible. The liberation of children, women, boy-lovers, and homosexuals in general, can occur only as complementary facets of the same dream."


Fucking weirdos.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

let them have their party, doesn't mean anyone is going to vote or support it. The party has just as much right ot exist as any other subject driven party such as a christian party or an anit-abortion party.

Its doesn't mean that the members of the party are practicing pedos, infact if they were the party would be counter productive as these people will most likely be under more survailence then they were before.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Re: Paedophile Party : Unbelievable Reply with quote

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One of the best posts I've seen on this board.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, there I was thinking Joe was inviting us to a Paedophile party. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

This ones going to stir up some fun between the parents and the more liberal members of the board.

They are suggesting lowering the age of consent to 12 and legalising child porn.

They are not trying to legitimise raping and killing a 12 year old girl, they are not forcing every 12 year old girl to run out and fuck every passing stranger, just lowering the age of consent.

So pretty much every peadophilic crime would be just as illegal as it is today. It would allowed 12 years to fuck each other, and I wish we'd had that over here when I was 12.

Its a legitimate political party, let them stand and let people vote as they see fit. If they do get into power, and it really bothers you, don't go to the Netherlands with your kids.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:41 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the end of the day people only think having sex with 12 year olds is wrong because the law tells us it is.

We are human beings and we go through puberty from about the age of 12, therefore nature has technically intended us to procreate from an early age. This is the meaning of life to some people.

You have to differentiate between perverts and rape to what we was brought on the earth to do.

I know when I was 12 I was ready, if only physically to have sex.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
...having sex with 12 year olds is wrong because the law tells us...puberty from about the age of 12, therefore...intended us to procreate from an early age....

I think you'll find that there's a world of difference between young people having sex between themselves and men (it is mostly men, isn't it Confused) who are 2x, 3x, 4x or more their age seeking out young girls/boys for sex.

As an example, from my earlier post
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...government has introduced a bill to raise the age of consent in Canada to 16, while retaining the "close in age" exception allowing 14 and 15 year olds to have sexual relationships with individuals less than five years older than themselves...

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PostPosted: 19:50 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont see a problem with kids the same age having sex eg two fourteen year olds for example. But what i find really disturbing is when grown men who are 2 times or more older will go and look for someone who is under age, be it male or female to take sexual advantage of.

I also agree with the *snip* comment
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 19 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were in charge all em pedos will be

1. Hung, drawn and quatered
2. People supporting pedos fredoom of speech etc will be lynched and then hung, drawn and quatered.

If anyone has any objections please say so.




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PostPosted: 08:13 - 20 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I object to simplistic views that force problems underground and make them harder to deal with.



Attempting some kind of mental maturity generally helps.
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 20 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may not of read the post correct or got the gist of what is going on, but, won't allowing these acts to happen be a breach of basic human rights? In terms of children I mean.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 20 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

robby wrote:
It would allowed 12 years to fuck each other, and I wish we'd had that over here when I was 12.


I agree with the rest of what you said, but, surely the law didn't stop you from fucking over here when you were 12?

If your 12 and want to fuck, you will do, the law is pretty powerless.

Although it may be "cool" to fuck at such a young age, i certainly wasn't ready for it at 12, so waited 'til i was ready, still at an illegal age mind.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 20 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul@125power wrote:
I may not of read the post correct or got the gist of what is going on, but, won't allowing these acts to happen be a breach of basic human rights? In terms of children I mean.


but if they managed to change the human rights, and therefore making their laws "legal" -where would that leave the children? what about morals?
The dutch are sick for being so liberal. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 20 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

imo opinion let them have the party, then at least the authorities will know who these people are Evil or Very Mad


as to changing the laws, no way, i think 12 is too young for kids to be having sex, as for sex with animals, they can have that, as long as i get to choose which animal.

the first sicko to ask can go to the zoo and f#ck the lion, second one can have a go with the leopard...... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 20 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

8316 wrote:

The dutch are sick for being so liberal. Evil or Very Mad

Ttheir 'sick' libreal attitudes see a lot less problems in most of the areas they are more relaxed with.

I believe the current dutch laws regarding 'consent' are still a bit iffy from the age of twelve upwards - it's definitely no where near as black and white as in England, where if a male has sex with a female one day under 16 years old they have commited rape.
I believe there is a much lower rate of teenage pregancy in Holland.

Hiding 'problems' in society rarely seems to sort the problems out, apart from keeping them to some degree 'hidden'.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 20 Jul 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon that is some pretty good shit actually............




.............500 plus party members all volunteering their names on a list ready to round up and slaughter like pigs. Evil or Very Mad
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