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Posted: 01:39 - 29 Nov 2007 Post subject: Supermoto, weekend toy? |
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Ive always fancied a supermoto and now that ive passed my test i think i can get something semi decent.
Friend of mine has a Gas Gas 250sm 2t and id love to have a supermoto for a weekend toy, wondering if anyone could suggest a suitable bike for me. It would be:
Used weekend/dry days only. Road:99%
Very little if any off roading.
Being a weekend toy i want it to be fun/powerful. Big minger wheelies everywhere etc
Id be getting around a 2000/1 model
Could get around 1200/1300 to spend.
Would love a Gas Gas 250 SM but wanted to see any othe rpossabilities first.
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Posted: 18:53 - 29 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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It's a 2002 Husaberg 501E. Needs a new cam chain and a thread helicoiling at least. While in there, I'd be poking about and doing a bit of a service as well.
I'm quite liking the idea of keeping it and getting it sorted to be honest; my CCM leaves me wanting a bit more, though with the fair-bit-better specs of the 'berg I'll probably be left feeling like the bike's doing it all . |
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Posted: 19:05 - 29 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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Thats never a bad thing
so what gear will it wheelie up to?
Another problem may be i live in average post code and ive had one crash at 18 so im thinking i may be fairly 'high risk' |
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Posted: 19:31 - 29 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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Any bike that can wheelie will wheelie through all the gears starting from a low gear if you're good enough .
My 'berg will power wheelie in third and clutch-wheelie in fourth (just about) with Supermoto gearing on (top speed of about 110mph in sixth).
Note that bikes like these are pretty high maintenance; they are competition bikes, basically. |
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Posted: 19:43 - 29 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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Could be a problem, whats genrally meant by maintence?
Im fine changing the oil every 3k or something stupid like that but not if its a full engine rebuild by the time you get th the end of your road |
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Posted: 21:39 - 29 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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Oil change every 3k? .
That's not far off a commuter-bike.
Try every 3-10 hours, depending on level of use.
The 2 strokes are better for maintenance as they're relatively less tuned, some of the newer 4 strokes aren't too bad too.
Remember these are /competition/ bikes that you happen to be using on the road. You can get tamer and much heavier road bike supermotos that are more reasonable 1000-1500 mile intervals, but these tend to still be pretty expensive. |
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Posted: 23:17 - 29 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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lollll
you must have to stop riding half way to well, anywhere to do a service ffs
The lad with the GG 250 says he does the oil 2-3k and pistons etc every 6 or something or other. Now that isnt bad performance wise but I thought a 4 stroke sm would be much less maintenance surely? or have they been tuned to give 2 stroke power?
i may just have to stick with the zxr400 and do a service everytime the engine blows
So G, what can u recomend that has more than a 3 minute service interval? id pref like something thats around 1k-1.5 |
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Posted: 00:03 - 30 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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The gas gas only uses it's oil for the gearbox, the 4 stroke oil is also used in the engine.
While the 'berg is a 501cc (similar to 300cc 2 strokes), it is in relatively higher state of tune than the 2 strokes.
Remember, the oil you're changing on the 4 stroke is getting burnt on the 2 stroke, which you'll have to pre-mix or top up.
Anyway, yes, it is a myth that 4 strokes are more reliable .
If it does go badly wrong, have worst rebuild-costs for the 4 stroke too.
Have a look at the KTM 625 and 660SMC range for a road biased bike. However you're talking something getting on for 50% more weight than the Gas Gas, though probably a bit easier to ride power-wise. |
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Posted: 14:12 - 30 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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Agreed. Though I don't believe our OP realises just how bad the maintenance and rebuilds on them are. My friend had a 510 Husky converted to SM, he changed the oil after every rideout, filter every two. It was coming up for a rebuild at around 3,000 miles, fortunately it got written off by a third party so he didn't have to pay up for the bits ____________________ Bikes: too many, too much for one man to maintain anyway. |
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Posted: 14:16 - 30 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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Il admit i knew you had to service/maintain them more often than normal road going bikes but i wasnt quite expecting the service interval to be in hours
Any examples of converted mx bikes? im presuming theyre similer on the service/maintance? |
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Posted: 14:49 - 30 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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Mmmmmm... CR500 = beast. A few bits to do on that, but it'd be a nice little project bike to get going with, plus it'd be faster than pretty much anything when it was finished. So long as you could hold onto it. ____________________ Bikes: too many, too much for one man to maintain anyway. |
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Quote: | 500cc two-strokes require a lot of maintenance. My 2001 CR500 has had 4 pistons and 2 cylinders. The cylinder is boreable... provided it doesn't crack.
Pistons crack, pipes crack, radiators crack, frames crack, every component is a victim of VIBRATION. I buy locktite by the 64oz bottle.
The 500's beat you up, wear you out, blister your hands, and give you headaches.
They are fun to polish, and fun to drag race, even fun to putt around on.
For REAL riding, they just aren't practical. Take it from a guy who's actually raced one. Sure I can pull away from a CRF450 as we exit a corner, but ultimately he'll be able to control the 450 longer then I can hang onto the CR500.
The powere is fun for a while, but it eventually becomes irritating always having to hang on for your life. |
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Posted: 19:09 - 01 Jan 2008 Post subject: Re: CRF450 Supermoto |
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Maybe not 'stupid' money, but the 450s would come in at a fair bit more than £1300 I'd have thought .
Personally, I prefer having six gears for the road, which I don't think the crossers tend to have. |
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Yeah, your probably right. Think they tend to go closer to the 2 grand mark eh? Worth it for the smile factor though |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 16 years, 117 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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