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PostPosted: 15:52 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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None of it is news becuase it's not real, it's all pantomime. What annoys the thinking person is when the media tries to pass it off as 'news.' It isn't, it's crap and of no import in the grand scheme of things, it's all just a distraction because they think real life offers nothing in the way of joy or entertainment, they think it all has to be manufactured when in fact it doesn't.


I suggest you buy a different paper to The Sun then Wink

How is it not real?

I guess you don't like any form of sport?

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Football is like religion, it's just a crutch to prop up an otherwise aimless existence in an effort to infuse some meaning. It has much in common with religion, sometimes its harmless, sometimes its not but there will always be someone trying to ram it down your throat under the guise of 'explaining how it works...'


Going by that analogy so is Music, Art, Every other sport etc..

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over 240 million people from more than 200 countries regularly play football.[20] Its simple rules and minimal equipment requirements have no doubt aided its spread and growth in popularity.


That's why it's relevant to allot of people...

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it's just a crutch to prop up an otherwise aimless existence in an effort to infuse some meaning.


That's an interesting way of saying some people fined it fun...

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it's all just a distraction because they think real life offers nothing in the way of joy or entertainment


So that's what playing, watching and following a sport is then. It's for people who's life offers nothing in the way of joy or entertainment... Laughing Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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watching and following a sport is then. It's for people who's life offers nothing in the way of joy or entertainment...

That's the impression I've got from a lot of them, yes.

And I do include those that avvidly follow moto-gp and jump about when Rossi does something good/bad, in their race-rep paddock shirts, sipping from a Rossi-shaped mug, feeling really a 'part' of the action.

Is it really that bad?

Probably not, but I reckon they'd find there's more interesting things out there if they got out a bit more.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 19 Aug 2009   Rating: Good (Funny) Post subject: Reply with quote

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And I do include those that avvidly follow moto-gp and jump about when Rossi does something good/bad, in their race-rep paddock shirts, sipping from a Rossi-shaped mug, feeling really a 'part' of the action.


There's a member on here which this could describe. A member which I'm also pretty sure doesn't even ride.

I just don't get that mentality.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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And I do include those that avvidly follow moto-gp and jump about when Rossi does something good/bad, in their race-rep paddock shirts, sipping from a Rossi-shaped mug, feeling really a 'part' of the action.


Nothing wrong with enjoying someones success IMO.

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but I reckon they'd find there's more interesting things out there if they got out a bit more.


Most people who follow the game have played it themselves. I have been to Africa, France and South America to play at an amature level. Oh well I suppose I could be a moderator on BCF if I had spent more time concentrating on the internet...

Do people who don't like football have this notion that everyone who does spends their whole time watching sky sports?
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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I suggest you buy a different paper to The Sun then


That is the point I'm making. I've never bought the sun in my life.

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How is it not real?


Because it is staged for the cameras

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I guess you don't like any form of sport?


Not to watch on the television, no.


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Going by that analogy so is Music, Art, Every other sport etc..


Indeed, but one must factor in the fervour of those doing the 'explaining.'

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That's an interesting way of saying some people fined it fun...


I think it's an accurate way of saying; to some folk, it's an opiate.

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So that's what playing, watching and following a sport is then. It's for people who's life offers nothing in the way of joy or entertainment...


I actually said;

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...because they think real life offers...


Their life does, they've just chosen football instead. Good or Bad? I suppose that depends on your view.

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PostPosted: 16:31 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because it is staged for the cameras


There are no cameras when I play, along with millions of other people..

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Their life does, they've just chosen football instead. Good or Bad? I suppose that depends on your view


You say it like it's some sort of religion and that the people who like it have literally nothing better to do? Yeah sure there is the odd weirdo who may devote his whole life to it, but to most people it's just an interest... People can have more then one interest you know? Neutral

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I think it's an accurate way of saying; to some folk, it's an opiate.


God I hope you don't have kids...

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PostPosted: 16:37 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nothing wrong with enjoying someones success IMO.

Seems very 'hollow' when you're talking about someone so unrelated to the individual... fair enough if it's one of Rossi's close friends, or whatever.

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Most people who follow the game have played it themselves. I have been to Africa, France and South America to play at an amature level. Oh well I suppose I could be a moderator on BCF if I had spent more time concentrating on the internet...

Do people who don't like football have this notion that everyone who does spends their whole time watching sky sports?

I suspect most people in the world at some point have played football.
However, in my experience, the majority of 'fans' in the UK do not play football and probably have not for many years.

If you wanted to be a moderator on BCF, a good start would be reading 'impression' and 'a lot of them', then not feeling the need to take it personally Wink.

I've raced motorbikes and enjoy watching motorbikes being raced at the top level. I've played pool and snooker and don't actually mind watching snooker, as it's a skill I can appreciate.
However, I don't feel the need to make it a big part of my life and link my emotional state to the people I watch's success or failure.

In regards to your last post - I think it's pretty clear that those criticising are criticising the commercial 'cult of football', not people playing it because they enjoy participating as a player in the sport.
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seems very 'hollow' when you're talking about someone so unrelated to the individual... fair enough if it's one of Rossi's close friends, or whatever.


Don't get me wrong I don' have any Rossi memorabilia, but I love watching the guy race because he is such a talent. Because I love watching him race I want him to do well.

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in my experience, the majority of 'fans' in the UK do not play football and probably have not for many years.


Maybe it's an age thing, Im 22 and 99% of my friends who follow/watch football also play.

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However, I don't feel the need to make it a big part of my life and link my emotional state to the people I watch's success or failure.


It something you can't understand then.. Lots of kids from a young age are taken to watch their local team play and play themselves, from that the develop a passion for the sport and for the team they support doing well.

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I think it's pretty clear that those criticising are criticising the commercial 'cult of football', not people playing it because they enjoy participating as a player in the sport.


It's all linked, the professional players have skills I admire and depending on the player idolize, that's what attracts me to follow a team.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are no cameras when I play, along with millions of other people..


Mmm... Since the thread was initially about a TV celeb, staying relatively on topic, I assumed you understood I was refering to those who avidly watch televised events.

I've played football in the past too and ping pong. To me though, it's a game. I play for entertainment not to win, (well, except if it's my table tennis nemesis...) I never watch it on the television though.

In anycase, that's not really what we were discussing. Playing football for exercise or entertainment is different from following a staged sequence of events (ergo, not real) which is then subsequently reported in the press and media using the same method and tone as a real world disaster. For example, an earth quake in India versus Katie and Peter in shock split/Wenger in shock move/The Ashes have been lost/Some twat kicked out of the house etc etc etc.

None of the latter qualifies as proper news, it's entertainment (at best.) Some however see it on the same level as war in Afghanistan or mud slides in China.

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You say it like it's some sort of religion and that the people who like it have literally nothing better to do? Yeah sure there is the odd weirdo who may devote his whole life to it...


The 'odd' weirdo?

Of course not all people who like football are obsessives, I didn't think I'd need to explain I was aware that no two people are alike, but if I do...

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PostPosted: 16:52 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe it's an age thing, Im 22 and 99% of my friends who follow/watch football also play.

As you play football, your social circle presumably includes a lot of others that do.
My previous company had a lot of football fans and I only knew of one that actually played it regularly - we did actually have a company team for a bit, which I did play in, but that didn't last too long.

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It something you can't understand then.. Lots of kids from a young age are taken to watch their local team play and play themselves, from that the develop a passion for the sport and for the team they support doing well.

An argument used for religion too.
I have thought about it and can 'understand' it, it's just that my understanding doesn't paint a very pretty picture.
And yes, I think similar devotion to the latest big brother idiot or whatever is very similar and similarly silly.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mmm... Since the thread was initially about a TV celeb, staying relatively on topic, I assumed you understood I was refering to those who avidly watch televised events.


Fair play Embarassed

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Playing football for exercise or entertainment is different from following a staged sequence of events (ergo, not real) which is then subsequently reported in the press and media using the same method and tone as a real world disaster. For example, an earth quake in India versus Katie and Peter in shock split/Wenger in shock move/The Ashes have been lost/Some twat kicked out of the house etc etc etc.


It's not staged in the meaning there is already a predetermined result.

As far as the media goes just switch over when the news moves onto sport, because to allot of people the transfer of a player to the club they support would be of some interest.

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An argument used for religion too.
I have thought about it and can 'understand' it, it's just that my understanding doesn't paint a very pretty picture.
And yes, I think similar devotion to the latest big brother idiot or whatever is very similar and similarly silly.


Well in that case it all boils down to whether you enjoy watching football or not, if not then it would seem silly.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not staged in the meaning there is already a predetermined result.


I know, I'm being a bit disinenguous there. I sort of meant all the off-pitch 'news' that gets generated, (WAGS etc.) But I suppose even that has an effect on the team so might be news to some....

It's just not my cup of tea.

Digressing slightly from the sport aspect, Saturday night TV for example. I can't watch it, even the laughter seems faked to me, the audience seems to be held in state of false hilarity bordering on hysteria... I find it a wee bit scary to be honest.

It just all seems so manufactured yet millions of people sit and lap it up...

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PostPosted: 21:31 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you ever make a post complaining about anything again, I'll be on it like a cheap hooker.
I rarely feel the compulsive need to complain about things in fairness.

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Btw, it's "wander" not wonder.
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So, you've got an estate full of annoying little cunts that regularly abuse and threaten and bully the residents. Do you move to another area, with another set of scrotes, thus nothing changing, or do you try to take them on, in which case, yep, you guessed it, nothing changes. Rendering your points moot.
In my experience, nothing one can do changes anything. I guess that point is rendered moot?
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Would you complain about it? Yes, I believe you would.
When I know nothing I can do changes it, there's no need to complain because it has no benefit. Unless you're talking about complaining in conversation on said subjects to family/freinds then yes I would. But I wouldn't feel the need to go and alert the press or start a thread on it.

Fawbish wrote:

Have we actively started a thread and complained about footy? Nope.

Have we voiced an opinion in a thread that has made its way into that territory? Yup.
Indeed; my point as intended was merely that not all supporters are hard core morons, some of us are intelligent people that also follow a variety of other topics. Karma
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well in that case it all boils down to whether you enjoy watching football or not, if not then it would seem silly.

Not really - the point is there's a difference between enjoying an activity and 'worshipping' it.
Maybe if you've grown up being indoctrinated, you wouldn't understand Wink.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

this went on a bit more than i thought it would.
was meerly venting anger at the news one day and bam. here we are like 10 days later.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 19 Aug 2009   Rating: Good (Funny) Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to BCF internet forums Razz.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 19 Aug 2009   Rating: Good Post subject: Reply with quote

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Football is a cancer. But considering the majority of the population is one too it's hardly suprising.


Hetzer I usually agree with allot of what you say... But that statement is utter bollocks.



Well, come on. If the majority of people weren't witless and gutless morons we wouldn't have football or sub-human dreck running our lives, now would we. Society and all it's ills are the produce of the majority that allow it.

I mean, what kind of utter fvcktard do you have to be to actually and genuinely care what one bunch of parasites in coloured shirts do against another similarly comprised bunch? Yes, the game is entertaining at the very most superficial level; I can watch it for the sake of seeing the ball handled by two teams, but give a fvck about which side scores more goals? Any sport I watch, it's about the generic skill, I could give a fvck who wins. Guy on orange motorbike vs guy on blue motorbike, I enjoy watching the bikes and riders do their thing without it mattering which one comes first. If I cared it would by symptomatic of some mental ailment. I don't know them, their results have absolutely no effect on my life, so why should I care? Ah...maybe if I didn't have a life of my own!

The fact is the TV listings are dictated by the biggest bunch of cretins with the biggest pool of disposeable cash. A tax on fvckwittery is what it is. Every single penny those football-kicking cvnts are paid comes straight out of John Q Public's collective pocket. The mugs. Mind-numbing pap for the mentally exhausted.

And they want me to pay £140-something quid a year for it?! GET TA FVCK! Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
JAMSXR wrote:


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Football is a cancer. But considering the majority of the population is one too it's hardly suprising.


Hetzer I usually agree with allot of what you say... But that statement is utter bollocks.



Well, come on. If the majority of people weren't witless and gutless morons we wouldn't have football or sub-human dreck running our lives, now would we. Society and all it's ills are the produce of the majority that allow it.

I mean, what kind of utter fvcktard do you have to be to actually and genuinely care what one bunch of parasites in coloured shirts do against another similarly comprised bunch? Yes, the game is entertaining at the very most superficial level; I can watch it for the sake of seeing the ball handled by two teams, but give a fvck about which side scores more goals? Any sport I watch, it's about the generic skill, I could give a fvck who wins. Guy on orange motorbike vs guy on blue motorbike, I enjoy watching the bikes and riders do their thing without it mattering which one comes first. If I cared it would by symptomatic of some mental ailment. I don't know them, their results have absolutely no effect on my life, so why should I care? Ah...maybe if I didn't have a life of my own!

The fact is the TV listings are dictated by the biggest bunch of cretins with the biggest pool of disposeable cash. A tax on fvckwittery is what it is. Every single penny those football-kicking cvnts are paid comes straight out of John Q Public's collective pocket. The mugs. Mind-numbing pap for the mentally exhausted.

And they want me to pay £140-something quid a year for it?! GET TA FVCK! Laughing


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Footy is great innit.
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Hurrah for 'English' football Wink
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 19 Aug 2009   Rating: Good (Funny) Post subject: Reply with quote

Football...hyenas led by vultures watched by donkies.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 19 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Hetzer Laughing

(that's the easiest way to put it)

Never understood how anyone can get so worked up about football.

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PostPosted: 07:58 - 20 Aug 2009   Rating: Good (Cool) Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm siding with Hetzer here, with a minor caveat: I've got no issues with sports in of themselves - football can be fun to play, and it can be entertaining to go to see a match (I got taken to a few 2nd Division matches when I was younger). I despise the sheer amount of revenue 'created' and subsequently pumped back in to football, though, and the media engine that surrounds it.
What renders a football player as 'worth' £20M? For that kind of money, you can employ 200 specialist doctors for a year, and still have change.

The popular media today is, in my opinion, aiming at the kind of viewing public that is neatly described by William Gibson thus:

William Gibson wrote:
"Which is to say, Laney, anything that might be of interest to the audience. Which is best visualized as a vicious, lazy, profoundly ignorant, perpetually hungry organism craving the warm god-flesh of the anointed. Personally I like to imagine something the size of a baby hippo, the color of a week-old boiled potato, that lives by itself, in the dark, in a double-wide on the outskirts of Topeka. It's covered with eyes and it sweats constantly. The sweat runs into those eyes and makes them sting. It has no mouth, Laney, no genitals, and can only express its mute extremes of murderous rage and infantile desire by changing the channels on a universal remote. Or by voting in presidential elections."




That is all.
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You know all hope has been lost for society as a whole when you see grown men sobbing and blubbering like they had just found out their daughter had been raped and murdered because their team lost. Such specimens should be sterilized.

I watch a few world cup matches, but really this is just an excuse to be out in the sun/social atmosphere for a couple of beers. Most of the time I'm chatting to a group of girls whilst the other lads are screaming at a television screen. I could give a fuck less who wins, even if England themselves won, I don't see the need to have a happy wank over it - come monday morning I'll still be at the same desk, earning the same wage, whilst those in the game will be a cool £20 million better off or whatever. The only result will be that people don't shut the fuck up for a few weeks about it.

Oh and I can't play football either, but I prefer Chess to excercise my strategem.

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PostPosted: 16:04 - 20 Aug 2009   Rating: Good (Funny) Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:34 - 20 Aug 2009   Rating: Good Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with following sport. I like the idea of competition and cheering on my favorites.

Over a million people play football every week. For most supporting is just a hobby, there are a few (a tiny fraction who probably take supporting OTT) but most of them like me, check the scores on a Saturday and watch Match of the day.

I like the skill involved in sport, a great goal in football, good hands in rugby a great overtake in motorsport, running 100 meters in 9.58 seconds.

Some people don't get sport, which is fine, theres alot of things I don't get, recreational drug use Wink, horse riding playing scrabble. You can't go around making stereo typical statements about people doing something they enjoy.

A lot of peoples views are similar to people views on biking. They make generalized statements, saying we are all noisy nasty people who dress all in black to intimidate car drivers, ride around fast all day like hooligans and end up just killing ourselves. This is mainly from people outside of biking who don't "get it".

"why would you ever ride a silly motorbike you'll just die"

"why would you support a football team, its stupid they just chase a ball around a field all day"

"horses are fucking stupid, why would you go near one"

Just because you don't "get it" dosn't mean you should slag them off.

Ignorance, look it up.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 20 Aug 2009   No Rating Post subject: Reply with quote

I can fully understand supporting a team and the experiencing the highs and lows of victory and defeat. Humans have always rallied under a flag whether it be village against village or nation against nation and as the world seems to be having its borders blurred sport seem to be more of a beacon for that focus.

There is nothing wrong with using football or any other sport as an emotional outlet and those who can watch it totally impartially must have occasionally wanted an underdog to win after a particularly tenacious battle

The only thing I can't understand is the allegiance to teams that aren't your home team.
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