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| stirlinggaz wrote: | ok, the whole cbt thing is a different argument, but come on, how many 35-45yr old riders didnt ride 250's with outragely tuned cylinders, bbks etc etc "back in the day"? |
I'm 40, I missed the 250 Learner Laws by five and a half years...
Lads that took 250's out on L's, when they were allowed would now be 46+ minimum.
Idea they ALL tore about on needle filed X7's and RD-LC's is also a little bit of historical distortion. RD-LC actually had a very short Learner Life, bike came out on a W-Plate, 1980/81 and was banned by the 125 laws inside 18 months.....
The X7 & RD-LC were the RS125 & Mito of their era, they were the bikes the boy-racers aspired to, but truth, when its admitted, is that most L-Platers rode 250 Slug-Dreams. Honda reckoned that half of all 250 Registrations were 250N's! and an awful lot of L-Platers, went for sub 200cc bikes, because back then, they fell into a lower tax and insurance group, and were a lot cheaper to run.
Only thing that helped boost the popularity of the 2t250's was that motorcycle insurance in those days was a lot less sophisticated, and most riders had Norwich Union 'rider' policies, as they had something like 90% market share, and on that policy they rated the premium by rider age, bike cc, bike value, and post code! didn't matter if you got a BSA C15 250, with about as much performance as CG125, or an MZ250, with barely any more, or a Honda Super Dream, or a Yamaha RD250LC, made little effect on the insurance price!
And there were a whole load of other things that made 'back in the day' a completely different game to what it is today.
1980, your average family saloon car was something like a 1300 Morris Marina.... and not every home had one, let alone two or three! Roads were a lot quieter, there was a lot less traffic around.
An AWFUL lot less.
I used to go cycling round the lanes round where I lived, and off the main roads, I could be out for three four five hours and not meet two cars.
Same roads now.... well, first of all when I was a kid most of them passed through green fields and woods and stuff! Now they pass through housing estates and retail parks!
But get into the few green bits remaining, and you cant go a mile without meeting other traffic.
We didn't have traffic calming areas, road humps, and road intruders. We had ancient bends! There was a big Road Improvement scheme, and a lot of A roads were being straightened and graded to take out blind bends and hill brows.
And often the biggest limitation to how fast you could go was not how much power you had, but how much confidence you had in hard, narrow cross ply tyres, spindly forks, and underdamped twin shock suspension! It was the age of the Muscle Bike, and even in the smaller classes, handling was often 'iffy'!
If you head off the beaten track and modern well surfaced and graded A roads onto the back lanes, where the surface is often gravel strewn, pot holed, narrow and off camber, and vexed by blind corners, obscured by trees, with ditches in the verge... you know the sort of 'country road' you still find in the National Parks... those were 'normal' roads, 'back in the day'..... man that can give it some beans on one of them on a modern sports-bike would be brave indeed! Now imagine trying that on an X7, with typical tyres of the era, standard shocks and no fork brace!
It was a different world...... or no.... a different ENVIROMENT.....
some things don't change!
And I was talking to a lad, the other day, and hearing his tales of daring do on his Bandit.......And then I watched him ride.....
what people SAY they did, 'Back in the Day' is Kaleidescoped, rose spec filtered, and selectively cropped.... many did have outrageousely ported two stroke 250's.... and many DID rag the arse off them, as they will recount..... but their time on those bikes was often actually quite short, and the incidents they recall, remarkeably few, NOT 'the norm'.
But as said, completely different world we lived in, and if there ONE difference that makes it different, its attitudes to the law.
'Back in the Day' underage drinking, kids would go down the pub, get served, if they got pissed and threw up, folk would shake thier heads and laugh, 'They'll Learn!'. Got clocked speeding on your RD250... local bobby, with his Kawasaki Z200, wouldn't bother chasing... he'd wait until he spotted you parked up in the village and 'have a word', and make you cringe. Stick it through a hedge? He'd help you pull the bike out, look at your gravel rash, look at your bent forks and say "Well, you'll have time to ponder the wisdom of what you been up to, while you save up to get that fixed, and for that to stop hurtin', wont you?"
We didn't HAVE the prceduralised, impersonal, regulatory frame work we have now....
Yes, we had local 'sweenie' who would have it in for you, but we also had the old world wise village bobby, looking out for you....
so when it came to 'infringing' the laws, first there weren't so many, secondly they weren't so rigidly enforced, nor inflexibly enforceable.....
Back to my earlier comment..... stuff a big motor in a 125, I have listed all the regulations of modern law you risk running foul off.
Nothing says you WILL be cought, nor that iof you are you WILL be prosecuted.....
But in todays world, its a LOT different to slapping 125 stickers on the side of an RD200... the regulations are framed against us.... back then coppas didn't have ANPR or computers in teh car with direct access to teh Swansea Database and shared Insurance register.... hell, there wasn't one! I think DVLA were still using paper records back then!
And even if they were cute enough to spot the differences between the generator cover of a 125 and a 200.... to prove riding other than in accordance, they would have to take the bike off you and have it stripped, which they practically couldn't do, so they would give you a bollocking, grumble about your L-Plates, and let you know they had thier eye on you...... maybe issue a ticket for a defective stop lamp switch.....
Now, with portable dynometers, in car computers, and much more rigidly framed legislation, donesn't MATTER how clued up they are....
They pull you, they look at the bike, they THINK it looks suss, they now have the power to sieze the bike, and its ALMOST up to YOU to prove you are innocent......
We can make parallells to other eras, and compare the stupidity of youth, but its not really all that relevant.
Ultimately we live in THIS world happening around us today.
The 'Lads' of 'back in teh day' were no more criminal genius trying to beat the system then, than kids are today, only difference is how futile it is, and how much 'risk' they take for a given reward!
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now i do feel old....was it as long ago as that? jeez....
I do remember the week it changed though...my grandad owned a scrappy & he ended up with loads of 250's (mz,jawa suzukis..all sorts)...shame, they would be worth something now.
thats where i 1st learned to hold a spanner & ride a motorcycle, at 12.....
my earliest road memories are 1985/86 & ok the roads are busier & things have changed ... but not that much....
round our way, teenagers ran around on lc's,gt's etc as well as loads of mz's & jawas & all sorts of 2t scooters...with gears..modded to f*ck..... most of them illegally.
(i even remember mates of mine (with more money than me) going to school in a mini 1275gt.....in the days when there were no airbags,abs, disc brakes, seat belts etc.)
sound familiar? the yoof of today de-restrict 50cc mopeds, rs125's etc so pretty much the same pattern.
but components, brakes etc have improved also...so i reckon its all much of a muchness....
ok, illegal, bit meh, who am i to judge?
its not for me to criticise someone who wants to experiment, legally an adult..so if he wants to take risks, why not..
i'd like to think anyone attempting to swap engines, would at least see if the 125/200/250's share the same frame....but that probably beeing a bit optimistic, as i certainly didnt when i was 1st "fixing up" bikes.....
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| Kickstart wrote: | | Lipsmoker wrote: | Thanks mate Someone Cracked it! At least it's not Chinese So i'm happy |
It is Chinese, just sold through CCM.
All the best
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Was going to say that.
It'll be chinese made, but badged as CCM. The bike is pretty much a knock off of honda's CRF250. hence Keith's comment about the sprocket being akin to a honda design.
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| Quote: | In 2004 CCM went bust, but Alan and Austin Clews quickly brought it back to life. Its production line is now healthy again and to prove the point, CCM unveiled five new bikes for 2007.
These are the CR40 cafe racer, which comes in naked and unfaired versions; and the SR40 Street Scrambler, which harks back to the CCM motocross bikes of the 1970s and 1980s.
The retro theme continues with the new FT35RS Flat Track model. And finally, the modern-day CXR230S supermoto and CXR230E off-road models are produced in conjunction with one of China’s biggest motorcycle manufacturer. |
Still, it's a rieju frame, i wouldn't exactly be expecting reliability to start with, even with the stock engine.
Use and abuse, do your test, and get a proper bigger bike 
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Each to their own, mate
It's a 230cc single pushing out around 18hp at the crank... it'll have some oomph, but compared to the DRZ400, which is looked at as not being a very powerful bike, at 400cc it's pushing out around 40hp at the crank... so either it's not the right engine i'm thinking of, or you've got modded sprockets.
Not something i'd do, but if it works, good stuff!
It's the 'show and tell' section. stick it up in there and post up your progres, i'll be following to see how it turns out
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The MotoRoma and Rieju SMX and MRX 125 bikes, run an engine which is identical to a Yamaha YBR125 engine.
My SMX125 actually had a YBR125 engine.
The Chinese "upright" engine pit bikes, run the exact same engine too.
They come in different flavors from 125cc, up to 250cc.
Suspect that engine is just a 250cc version of the original 125.
So it's probably on the same engine mounts etc.
https://img.atomik.com.au/DirtBike/KudaPro250M/KudaPro250M-Part6.jpg
https://img.atomik.com.au/DirtBike/KudaPro250M/KudaPro250M-Part1.jpg
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