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P3TR0L H34D
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 02 May 2011    Post subject: Yamaha DTR 125, fell over, now it wont start!! HELP!! Reply with quote

Hi everyone, Im new to this forum so be gentle with me lol.

I bought a Yamaha DTR 125 yesterday, its a 2003 and has apparently recently had a top and bottom end rebuild. So one would presume it is mechanically sound. I witnessed it riding and running when I bought it, then during transportation it fell over and was laid down in the back of the van for approximately 2 minutes. I opened the van doors to quickly pick it up and there was a small amount of petrol on the floor (which I'm not sure where it leaked from) and it wouldn't start. So I have left it sat until today, unsure of the problem hoping it would start. Unfortunately it hasn't and from trying to start it franticly I have almost zapped the battery, making things worse lol. I have tried to bump start it and it wants to but just will not start! I am not new to bikes, but don't have much mechanical knowledge when it comes to fixing them/standard issues that would be obvious to someone with experience. I hope this is a simple issue and would be REALLY happy if someone could help, thanks for reading and hopefully I recieve a warm welcome on my first ever post.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 02 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turn the petrol tap on and try again Wink
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 02 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried relentlessly and it just wont have non of it lol, usually when my bikes have behaved like this, it's because their flooded but this doesn't seem to be the case. It's REALLY frustrating because I've seen it running lol
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 02 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

carb maybe flooded? is there defiantly petrol in the tank and 2 stroke in the oil tank?

Is there spark? HT lead still connected?
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 02 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you taken the spark plug out and had a look at it?
Have you checked you get a spark on it against the head?
If not THAT'S where you start.... after charging the battery!
If no spark, you check the obviouse first.
Kill switch on the handlebars, and wiring too.
Side Stand Switch, & wiring to
Ignition switch & wiring too
Then you look at the fuel.
How much fuel was in it when you collected it?
No one fills a bike with petrol just before they flog it these days!
Might have had enough in to run when tested, but falling over, that 'small' amount of petrol might have been ALL that was left in the tank, not just what was in the carb float bowl!
Have you checked how much fuel is in the tank?
Have you tried it on both 'On' and on 'Res'?
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 02 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

check the side stand switch if applicable, kill switch, ht lead is located correctly, all connectro blocks are connected, fuel tap is on/reserve if you've spilled you petrol out you may have dropped below the ON required level.
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 03 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once You've checked what the guys above say. If that fails....take out spark plug. Pour a little fuel down the hole using a funnel say 50mls and put plug back in make sure ignition is on and kick her. If you're getting a good spark this should make it fire.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 03 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

danny046362 wrote:
Once You've checked what the guys above say. If that fails....take out spark plug. Pour a little fuel down the hole using a funnel say 50mls and put plug back in make sure ignition is on and kick her. If you're getting a good spark this should make it fire.

50ml of petrol in a 125 engine?!?!
NO!
If the piston it at BDC it'll HOPEFULLY trickle straight out the exhaust port.
If not, 50cc of petrol will HALF FUCKING FILL the cylinder!
and liquid don't compress that well into a 15cc combustion chamber!

If you are going to try and diagnose a carb fault by 'flooding' the bike....

Undo the jubilee clip holding the carb on, pull the carb OFF, squirt some neat juice out of the petrol hose you have just pulled off the carb.....

1st test.....do you ACTUALLY get any fuel out? If not check tap, on/off/res, is there patrol in the tank, or is the tap or sediment bowl clogged!

2nd test, some petrol dribbled into teh reed block, then kick it over, and let the motor suck in what vapour it can.... its like an old and I mean really ancient, 'evaporator plate' or 'drip' carburettor..... but if you have the ingredients by way of compression & spark, will often suck enough to give you signs of life, briefly, as initial excess gives same effect as 'choke' getting engine going, and then it goes into 'runaway' reving to teh stops with no means of regulating the engine without carb slide.... then dies, when it runs out of teh few drips of petrol its been supplied with!
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 03 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it have choke? You might want to try putting that on.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 03 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a lot of nonsense in this thread.

I would do the following:

Arrow ignition off

Arrow turn fuel tap OFF

Arrow locate carb drain screw and drain the float bowl on the carb.

Arrow Remove spark plug and examine

Arrow kick bike over a few times with no plug in and the fuel off. See if fuel is ejected from the plug hole.

Arrow connect plug to plug cap. Switch ignition on. Holding the plug cap, hold the threaded part of the plug against the head or barrel so you can see the electrode.

Arrow kick bike over and see if there is a strong spark. If not replace spark plug.

Arrow Re fit spark plug

Arrow turn fuel tap to PRIME for a few seconds

Arrow Switch fuel tap to ON

Arrow attempt to start bike using a bit of choke.

If this does not work, you will then need to check that fuel is getting to the cylinder. This is a bit more complex if the bike has a vacuum operated fuel tap...
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 03 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

All good ^^^^^^ except I'd hold the plug cap in a pair of rubber-handled grips when checking for a spark by holding the electrode to the barrel and kicking it over. You don't want to find out the plug cap is cracked when holding it with your fingers. That really hurts.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 03 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
50ml of petrol in a 125 engine?!?!
NO!


Laughing
that tickled my funny bone.

Quote:
There is a lot of nonsense in this thread.


why? the O.P stated the bike worked until he dropped it in transit, suggesting an electrical fault, so your idea of taking the spark plug out is correct but only to assetain if there is a spark or not if not it means a wire is not connected, hence why i would check connectors killswitch sidestand before donning any tools,
if the o.p had suggest fuel starvation, then it would have been a diffrent matter.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 03 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cloric_tzr wrote:

Quote:
There is a lot of nonsense in this thread.


why? the O.P stated the bike worked until he dropped it in transit, suggesting an electrical fault, so your idea of taking the spark plug out is correct but only to assetain if there is a spark or not if not it means a wire is not connected, hence why i would check connectors killswitch sidestand before donning any tools,
if the o.p had suggest fuel starvation, then it would have been a diffrent matter.


How about:

Quote:
The carb may be flooded


or

Quote:
Pour a little fuel down the hole using a funnel say 50mls

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PostPosted: 19:58 - 03 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing . ok
spray paint fumes have brought my period on a week early i think.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 03 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
All good ^^^^^^ except I'd hold the plug cap in a pair of rubber-handled grips when checking for a spark by holding the electrode to the barrel and kicking it over. You don't want to find out the plug cap is cracked when holding it with your fingers. That really hurts.

No, that's why you tell newbies to do it.......
Shit rolls down hill, thats how WE learned, or mates saying 'Here just hold this against the head while I kick, will ya!"
Tried that on Snowie last week.... didn't work, she'd been had before!
Personally, I use a jump lead. Hold hex of spark plug in crcok clip one end, clip other to the swing arm spindle...
and for some OCD reason, it HAS to be the black jump lead... I get all panicky and confused if some-one uses the red one as a flying earth!?!?!
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