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Quadzilla
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: A bit of an unusual query - Bike engined cars Reply with quote

Hey guys,

trying to research a bit, anyone have any experiences of them?

Driveability?
Reliability?
Fuel consumption,
Living with them everyday?

Appreciate any input Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A work colleague of mine had an MG Midget, with a ZZR1100 unit in it. Seemed to be fairly relaible, he came to work in it most days.
His main problems where keeping the engine cool, (might not be so much of a problem in the UK), it also had a tendency to snap drive shafts, this usually occured when giving it some stick on pot hole strewn roads.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice idea for a toy but surely a sequential gearbox in a car would be a pain,, coming up to lights dropping gears like you would on a bike?
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: A bit of an unusual query - Bike engined cars Reply with quote

Quadzilla wrote:
Hey guys,

trying to research a bit, anyone have any experiences of them?

Driveability?
Reliability?
Fuel consumption,
Living with them everyday?

Appreciate any input Very Happy


Pistonheads might be a better bet for this kind of query, although G owns an R1 engined caterfield thingy.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DO IT!!!
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.megabusa-power.co.uk/

like this you mean Smile
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wondered why peopel don't use a big VTwin engine in cars. With a bit more torque lower in the rev range, surley it would make a much better engine in a small framed car?
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no input into this thread other than I want one.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daimo wrote:
I always wondered why peopel don't use a big VTwin engine in cars. With a bit more torque lower in the rev range, surley it would make a much better engine in a small framed car?


Because V twins don't really have more torque lower in the rev range. And there ARE V twin cars around...

https://www.carsuk.net/wp-content/gallery/morgan-three-wheeler/morgan-three-wheeler-7.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Daimo wrote:
I always wondered why peopel don't use a big VTwin engine in cars. With a bit more torque lower in the rev range, surley it would make a much better engine in a small framed car?


Because V twins don't really have more torque lower in the rev range. And there ARE V twin cars around...

https://www.carsuk.net/wp-content/gallery/morgan-three-wheeler/morgan-three-wheeler-7.jpg


Oooohh, I really want a go in that.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blapp!!

https://www.the-morganworld.com/images/snippets11.jpg
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

NicWilson wrote:
Oooohh, I really want a go in that.


Yep its brand new, Morgan have just released it. The look is based upon an old Morgan car they used to sell. Apparently it'll do 0-60 in 6 ish seconds and will return 40mpg +.

I reckon it'll be great fun to drive!
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: A bit of an unusual query - Bike engined cars Reply with quote

Driveability? - very, very good in my case.
Reliability? - ok so far, probably not quite as good as the bike.
Fuel consumption, - not great, but that's going to be related to my driving style too.
Living with them everyday? - wouldn't want to, but then the seats in mine don't have this heavy 'foam' stuff to weigh them down with, for a start.

The clutch on mine is particularly irksome - but it seems to be a problem with mine specifically. Need to have a poke, but when I last ordered clutch springs, I got sent a not-a-spring Rolling Eyes.

Remember why big sports v-twins may be just ahead in the low range, the power delivery tends to be really lumpy, which makes it pretty unusable. 4 cylinder bikes aren't far off, but are much smoother and have a chunk more on top which is always useful when you've got at least twice the weight!
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Nice idea for a toy but surely a sequential gearbox in a car would be a pain,, coming up to lights dropping gears like you would on a bike?


I would of thought the lack of reverse gear would have been more of a hinderance.....

Family legend recalls my Grandad, rescuing our next door neighbour from the 'garage' he built for his Heinkel buble car in 1961, or whenever it was... chaps first brand new 'vehicle'... so he bought a shed for it... drove it into his 'gargage'.... lack of reverse gear meant he couldn't back out.... and with front opening door he didn't want to scratch the paint work, opening it against the back wall of it's shed!
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine has a specific 'Bike Engined Car' reversing LSD. Means you get 6 reverse gears as it reverses after the gear box.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Mine has a specific 'Bike Engined Car' reversing LSD. Means you get 6 reverse gears as it reverses after the gear box.


That sounds like a lot of fun G! Smile
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh and knocking it down a few gears is no big pain really.
It's still fairly highly geared in the car - first is up to around 50mph, so you can knock it down fairly early if you want.

Ideally I'd like a 'flappy-paddle' conversion, but can't justify it at the moment.
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Blah blah blah yes garth you can have a go I will even drop it round your house AND bring cake


Cool.

When?

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PostPosted: 15:24 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you move to Keighley, probably. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys, ye lot are a friendly bunch, best lot of replies I have had yet Very Happy


One Im looking at is a mk1 fiesta, has the reverse and all with zx9r lump and rwd.

I would be doing a deal with my 4wd sierra cosworth. So trying to deicde. My father says I woul dbe nuts to get rid of my cosworth for it. Confused
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Re: A bit of an unusual query - Bike engined cars Reply with quote

Im Currently planning to build a twin ZX12r engined seven. Its been done before with twin zx9 engines but I fancied something a little beefier. Prior to being stripped down it was running a 1.6 CVH Turbo which (once tuned) was pretty fast for what it was. I should be able to start work on the twin engine project soon having just rented a new workshop.

The following is from my experience of driving a BEC (Another Seven) and from what friends with them have said.

Driveability?

Err, in town they're not the best and moving in traffic can be a pain but nothing too difficult. On the open road, they're great. The only problem is that they seem to will you to go faster!

Reliability?

Depends on the build quality and the level to which they're tuned. Mine is not likely going to be THAT reliable but I dont envisage any major issues. Its all down to how you build it and how you drive it.

Fuel consumption?

Awful. They Drink it. Not as bad as your average V8 seven though.

Living with them everyday?

Entirely Impractical. A lot of fun, but I don't see the point of driving it as your main car. If you cant afford to run this and a second more practical car I doubt you can really afford to maintain a BEC.

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Just saw your update.

Quadzilla wrote:
Cheers guys, ye lot are a friendly bunch, best lot of replies I have had yet Very Happy


One Im looking at is a mk1 fiesta, has the reverse and all with zx9r lump and rwd.

I would be doing a deal with my 4wd sierra cosworth. So trying to deicde. My father says I woul dbe nuts to get rid of my cosworth for it. Confused


Dont bother trading it. Keep the sierra or sell it for what its actually worth (Which is more then the fiesta) and get a decent BEC (a Seven Wink) Or you could get the ZX6r reliant robin thats on the bay at the moment.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should point out, It would not be my main car. I have a daily motor (fiat seciento Embarassed ) But I wouldnt have it and not use it. During the summer I would want to use such a toy very often.

Probably 5k miles a year which would be a good bit for a toy car.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quadzilla wrote:
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The guy next door has one and I really want to BEC it. Why dont you just put a nice zx9r engine in that? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fitted a Hayabusa engine to a Hillman imp in 2002, took my dad and I just over 6 weeks to do. As far as I am aware the guy who bought it from my dad is now using it as a track car and has had very few problems with it.

It was a hoot to drive but the lack of backwardsness was a pain in the arse. Will try to find pictures.
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 12 Jul 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it mid or rear engined?

It tends to be pretty easy to stick the engine in the boot; but then you've got a car that is meant to have a load of weight in the front with very little, but a chunk of weight right at the back.
Apparently this can make for less-than-ideal handling. But then people say that about 911's too Smile.

Mid-engined seems to make more sense, but tends to be a fair bit more expensive/more work.
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