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				|   Posted: 21:28 - 20 Oct 2011  Post subject: Leather vs kevlar vs textile vs jeans abrasion test |    |  
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				| From RiDE mag, November 2011.  Purely abrasion resistance tests performed by SATRA, with no armour inserts fitted.  They don't specify a simulated road speed, just the relative times to wear through the trousers.  Average times are shown, the article has details for knee / thigh / arse times:
 Hein Gericke Reno leather jeans: 4.74 seconds
 Draggin' Biker kevlar jeans: 3.07 seconds
 Hornee kevlar jeans: 1.39 seconds
 Rev'it Sand textile trousers: 0.71 seconds
 Levi stonewash 501s: 0.56 seconds
 Tesco Cherokee jeans: 0.16 seconds
 
 So even a budget pair of fairly fashiony leather trousers (£100) offers better protection than premium kevlar jeans (£150), or the fancy Rev'it pants (£190).  Those Rev'it BMW-bait "Adventure" trousers are shockingly poor for the price, although the adverts for them don't make much mention of what they're made of - I'd have preferred to see some more testing of budget cordura trousers.
 
 And no surprises, denim-only jeans are the chocolate teapot of protection.  Yes, a £40 pair of Levis does offer better protection than Tesco budget tat, but either way you'll be surfing on your skin within a few yards when you come off.  Enjoy having the gravel scraped out of your arse with a wire brush and Dettol at A&E.
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				|   Posted: 23:15 - 20 Oct 2011  Post subject: |    |  
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				| Was very disappointed they only tested one set of textiles, as i fully expect the quality to vary wildly between different textile manufacturers.
 And i also noted that they didn't test Hood kevlar jeans, the sods
   
 It's like having a security chain test with no Almax/Pragmasis in there.
 
 And only one manfacturer who isn't Oxford.
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				|   Posted: 03:45 - 21 Oct 2011  Post subject: |    |  
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				| Kevlar is good for heat and puncture protection, but isn't so good for abrasion protection (unless resin bonded obviously   ), and ideally needs to be combined with something like Cordura which has excellent abrasion resistance. Leather is best, but also gets wet, and is much heavier. If a kevlar jacket had the same weight as a leather jacket, I'd bet the kevlar jacket would be far tougher. |  | 
    
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				|   Posted: 07:22 - 21 Oct 2011  Post subject: Re: Leather vs kevlar vs textile vs jeans abrasion test |    |  
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				|   Posted: 09:01 - 21 Oct 2011  Post subject: |    |  
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				|  	  | Im-a-Ridah wrote: |  	  | Kevlar is good for heat and puncture protection, but isn't so good for abrasion protection | 
 
 Draggin' use a kevlar + Dyneema knit intended to offer decent abrasion protection.  Apparently they're on to something.
 
 The Hornee jeans (£100) use woven kevlar.  They used to use knitted.  Cutting through their marketblurb it looks to me like they've chosen a metric (burst strength) that's allowed them to cheap out on the materials.
 
 The Rev'its were a strange choice.  They're "adventure" trousers, which IMO means they essentially fashion touring trousers for Mid Life Crisis Man to wear while tooling round Albania on his GS and "finding himself" (turns out that he's Charlie Boorman).
 
 Still, it's interesting stuff, and I hope they do a more comprehensive test.
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				|   Posted: 09:03 - 21 Oct 2011  Post subject: |    |  
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				| I saw this and commented on it the other day.
 It's a good insight, but I wouldn't go throwing out your textiles just yet.
 
 The difference between the textiles they test there and a decent pair could be the same difference between the Tesco value jeans and the Levis.
 
 Most textiles are made from coudra which has excellent abrasion resistance. Ignore brand and popularity, the key is to look at the denier or weight of the material.
 
 I own two cheap pairs of textiles, and did own a pair of leather jeans. The lidl textile trousers that I bought (£35) use a material only half has thick as the Frank Thomas (£90) ones I have.
 
 I can't find it now, but I did see some figures suggesting that 1000D (?) coudra was close or surpassed leather
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				|   Posted: 15:43 - 21 Oct 2011  Post subject: |    |  
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				| After freezing my balls off 2 nights ago I was considering to bye some textiles for more warmth and protection or should ill just pull out me old fishing gear cos it sounds like it will offer me the same protection? 
Or am I missing the point.
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				|   Posted: 16:54 - 21 Oct 2011  Post subject: |    |  
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				| When i crashed at about 40-50mph and slid the width of the road i was surprised how my Rev-It textiles melted so quickly. Through to the elbow protector. The road surface was moderately worn and was a cold damp day.____________________
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				|   Posted: 18:28 - 21 Oct 2011  Post subject: |    |  
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				| Do you know what your Rev'its are made of?  It's not immediately clear from the marketblurb.____________________
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				|   Posted: 19:19 - 21 Oct 2011  Post subject: |    |  
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				| ^^^I can't recall seeing the words Cordura etc. They cost £99 in 2003.
My daughter wore them when i was teaching her how to ride the Honda. She fell over and the header pipe burnt a hole in them quick as owt.
 Them and the jacket were binned earlier in the year. Velcro was coming away etc.
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