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PostPosted: 20:24 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Fuel Gauges. Reply with quote

I suspect this will either be viewed as a really stupid question, or it has been asked lots of times before I joined here.
However, I am new, so will ask anyway.
When I had my wee Yamaha YBR 125, the one thing I really loved about it, had been the fuel gauge on it. It even seemed to work, even if most of the guys who knew way more than me about bikes kept telling me never to trust the gauge.
Anyway, my ZX6R doesn't have one (doesn't even have a petrol warning light), and I really do miss that on my bike. So far, I've spluttered to a halt a few times now after running into reserve on long runs. It bugs the hell out of me when that happens, and it seems to take me ages to get it started again after lots of turning over on the reserve tank.
So, is there a good reason why most bikes don't have petrol gauges fitted as standard?
Is it just an 'uncool' thing to have on a bike, or is there a more practical reason?
I suppose going round bends, and continual breaking will make a gauge go all over the place, but it surely has to be a good idea to have one as a guide for long runs?
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fill the tank. reset the trip meter to zero.

When you get to 100-120 miles fill up again.

You could work out how many miles you take to go from a full tank to reserve then use that on the trip meter to indicate petrol time.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajbsmirnoff wrote:
Fill the tank. reset the trip meter to zero.

When you get to 100-120 miles fill up again.

You could work out how many miles you take to go from a full tank to reserve then use that on the trip meter to indicate petrol time.


This.

They are notoriously bad them fuel guages. The one on my GPZ went from brimmed tank to dry in under half a mile earlier...how odd.... Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajbsmirnoff wrote:
Fill the tank. reset the trip meter to zero.

When you get to 100-120 miles fill up again.

You could work out how many miles you take to go from a full tank to reserve then use that on the trip meter to indicate petrol time.


Yes, that is the sensible way to do it, but I still would rather have a gauge as a safety net. I take it gauges are just not a cool thing in biking then?
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They are notoriously bad them fuel guages. The one on my GPZ went from brimmed tank to dry in under half a mile earlier...how odd.... Laughing


Yep, I kept being told gauges were a waste of space on a bike, but I swear the one on my wee YBR was great. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to wait until my ZX hits around 100 miles, then I'll look at stopping somewhere. I've never had to use the reserve, and usually have plenty of fuel even when i go to fill up. No need to risk it when I have plenty of time to fill up Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

troy1234 wrote:
I tend to wait until my ZX hits around 100 miles, then I'll look at stopping somewhere. I've never had to use the reserve, and usually have plenty of fuel even when i go to fill up. No need to risk it when I have plenty of time to fill up Thumbs Up


Lately I've been playing it safe that way to, and just filling it up more regularly. However, when I'm on a run and really enjoying myself, I just can't be arsed playing it safe and stopping to fill it when I see a petrol station. I'd still rather have the lazy way out with a gauge or light telling me I have to stop...........I know, it is a bad excuse Confused
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

im the same, my sp-1 and ninja only had a warning light and it annoyed me a bit. I never actually fill the tank to the top and normally just chuck a fiver or tenner in so resetting a trip meter would be useless to me.

CBR's have guages though and i believe there the only 600 sports bike to have them and it was actually a contributing factor to why i bought another Laughing. I dont understand why they make bikes without them, there hardly complicated or expensive so seems a bit daft really
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
im the same, my sp-1 and ninja only had a warning light and it annoyed me a bit. I never actually fill the tank to the top and normally just chuck a fiver or tenner in so resetting a trip meter would be useless to me.

CBR's have guages though and i believe there the only 600 sports bike to have them and it was actually a contributing factor to why i bought another Laughing. I dont understand why they make bikes without them, there hardly complicated or expensive so seems a bit daft really


One of my friend's has a 750 Honda (sorry, can't remember the model), but he had a gauge on his to.
So, the answer is to go get a CBR600 then Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you want a 600 sports bike with a fuel guage, yes
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would a dipstick be an option ?
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
if you want a 600 sports bike with a fuel guage, yes


Fuel gauge aside for now, I'm told the CBR600 is a good all rounder, that is a bit more forgiving for the less experienced riders.
However, for me I opted for the ZX6R mainly because it was cheaper, and It also put a big smile on my face when I took it for my first spin.........just could do with a gauge though Smile
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajbsmirnoff wrote:
Would a dipstick be an option ?


Ha, yes I suppose, but again it involve me doing more than just looking at a gauge while riding..........I know, I do just want the easy option.
Still, I know now that I can't have one as standard on a 600 unless I go for a CBR.
However, does anyone know why they don't fit one as standard to all bikes?
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

is it possible to fit one yourself?
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

drew86 wrote:
is it possible to fit one yourself?


Yes so I've been told, but are they any good and do the job? Also, I wouldn't want to fit anything to my bike that will look naff and deserve a piss take Sad
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

salty21 wrote:
if you want a 600 sports bike with a fuel guage, yes


My 1997 CBR600F doesn't have a fuel gauge.

Took some getting used to as my last few bikes all had gauges.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ericck wrote:
salty21 wrote:
if you want a 600 sports bike with a fuel guage, yes


My 1997 CBR600F doesn't have a fuel gauge.

Took some getting used to as my last few bikes all had gauges.


I'm just referring to RR models, never had an older model cbr but would like one as a winter bike.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reserve tap is your safety net - should be easy enough to switch to when the bike starts to splutter a bit, even at motorway speeds.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

when I first got my zx6r I filled the tank and zero'd the trip meter, then rode until it spluttered and I had to switch to reserve, I noted the mileage and now when I get to around that mileage I fill up and zero the trip again.
I had a fazer before the zx6r and it had a fuel guage so it concerned me when the zx didn't have one, but you soon get used to it, I now fill up and reset the trip without even thinking about it.

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PostPosted: 21:51 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reid wrote:
The reserve tap is your safety net - should be easy enough to switch to when the bike starts to splutter a bit, even at motorway speeds.


bit annoying (and embarrasing) when it happens mid overtake though as i have found a few times on the superfour.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reid wrote:
The reserve tap is your safety net - should be easy enough to switch to when the bike starts to splutter a bit, even at motorway speeds.


This is true, but its fairly awkward to twist the reserve tap/knob on the zx6r. My knob is quite stiff, so I've tried to avoid fumbling with it while riding.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajbsmirnoff wrote:

My knob is quite stiff, so I've tried to avoid fumbling with it while riding.


Shocked


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PostPosted: 22:12 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajbsmirnoff wrote:
Fill the tank. reset the trip meter to zero.

When you get to 100-120 miles fill up again.

You could work out how many miles you take to go from a full tank to reserve then use that on the trip meter to indicate petrol time.


This, plus learn to find and use the reserve tap whilst going along when you don't need to, so that when the time comes to use it as you're mid overtake and the bike starts spluttering, you don't flail like a blind chimp looking for faeces to throw.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reid wrote:
The reserve tap is your safety net - should be easy enough to switch to when the bike starts to splutter a bit, even at motorway speeds.


The 'reserve tap' is difficult to get to and turn on the ZX6R, and I've tried to do so when on the move, but I think it is a bit dangerous to do (for me anyway).
I'll get used to it though, because I love everything else about the bike.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
ajbsmirnoff wrote:
Fill the tank. reset the trip meter to zero.

When you get to 100-120 miles fill up again.

You could work out how many miles you take to go from a full tank to reserve then use that on the trip meter to indicate petrol time.


This, plus learn to find and use the reserve tap whilst going along when you don't need to, so that when the time comes to use it as you're mid overtake and the bike starts spluttering, you don't flail like a blind chimp looking for faeces to throw.


Depending on the fuel tap, they can be a right pain in the arse to do on the move.

All the old school taps like this are ideal for switching on the move.

https://www.chris-knight-mcs.co.uk/acatalog/Petrol%20Tap%20with%20position%20plate%2002.JPG

The one on my ZZR can be a right pain to do on the move with gloved hands.

This type is shown below:

https://www.thebikebarnltd.co.uk/ekmps/shops/moesbikebarn/images/fuel-tap-petcock-unit-kawasaki-zzr600-zx600-e5-1997-ninja-dap12-4823-p.jpg

I have switched it plenty of times on the move over the years, but it is something I would recommend avoiding.
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