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PostPosted: 17:12 - 19 Aug 2012    Post subject: off road to thabazimbi and vaalwater Reply with quote

Spring is on its way, and with warmer temperatures and longer days I did a 600 km gravel trip today. The trip was to Brits, then west on gravel and sand roads along teh crocodile river, to Thabazimbi, then gravel across the edge of the Marakele National park, almost to the Botswana border, then home via Vaalwater. The ride was on the margins of the Kalahari, so sand is everywhere.

The road from Brits was very sandy, which kept speed down, sometimes to below 40 kmh. The front wheel is just head shaking and snaking around, and the only way to steer is with the throttle: stand up, put weight on the rear and apply throttle to go straight.



https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/hvandermerwe62/thabazimbi/IMG-20120819-00325.jpg


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Look how the front wheel sinks in when you stop



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A white man lives here. carving something from the bush and working to feed the nation. There were 85 000 white farmers in 1994. Now there are only 30 000. 3800 have been murdered on their farms. 12% have been attacked, The rest have given up due to stock theft and crime, or moved to towns for security. SA used to export food, now we must import. What will the darkies do when their rampages result in food shortages? Starve like zimbabwe and the rest of africa. Such a fertile continent, and they cant even feed themselves.


https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/hvandermerwe62/thabazimbi/IMG-20120819-00329.jpg

Guess who lives here. Can you see the difference?


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The crocodile river. It is fenced off due to the irrigation pumps down below. It is to stop the darkies from carrying off the pumps


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Going through Marakele

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Coming past the Schoongelegen game reserve. Bikes are not allowed in game reserves so I took the gravel along the border


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The road is so soft the stand just sinks in and it is an effort to right the bike again

https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/hvandermerwe62/thabazimbi/IMG-20120819-00336.jpg

The Mokolo river coming into Vaalwater

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I stop for lunch in Warmbaths, and pub and grill is infested with group riding weekend warriors on cruisers. Check my bike next to the 1200 Harley. Lol, the harley looks like a toy. His head must be at my knee

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More fashion accessories. Another town to avoid on a sunday to give a miss to the weekend warrior breakfast runners

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But I get a nice cold one and a 350 g T bone steak smothered in cheese and mushroom sauce

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Strange to see my dirty bike next to all that shiny chrome and leather. And my boots...

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Madchen needs a wash. I cant recall how I got mud on it. I thought it very dry and sandy, but some of the ground beneath must have been muddy and I churned it up. The risks of off-raod. You cant always see the mud until your bike slides under you. But it is absolutely the best riding for me.


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PostPosted: 17:59 - 19 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding farm attacks, inall these cases, the attackers were young, black males, often armed with AK47s and Uzis. In only 31% cases theft was involved. So it is simply killing, not stealing. And like all theft in SA food is never taken, so they are not stealing because they are hungry.

The farm attacks come with growing hate-speech by government officials targeting white farmers. Mandela used to sing kill the Settlers, Zuma sings kill the Boers. This from state presidents.

But the darkies also suffer. The economic effect from on the emptying out the farms results in squatters moving in and the farms become disused and dilapidated in a short period of time.

The number of food-producing commercial farms in South Africa has dropped from 85,000 in 1994 to a mere 11,500 this year, according to SA tax records.

This has in turn also caused massive unemployment among farm-workers: 1,2million were employed on white-owned farms in 1994, only 360,000 now remain.

Then squatter towns grow larger every time jobless farm workers move away from desolate farms after such murders. Less than one percent of the entire South African land surface is now used for irrigated crop-production, causing local food prices to triple this past year. In 1994 about 6% of the entire SA land-surface was used by commercial farmers for irrigated crops.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 19 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

again some great pics Very Happy What sort of time are you doing these trips in?
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 19 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidewinder wrote:
again some great pics Very Happy What sort of time are you doing these trips in?


Really depends on road conditions. anywehere from 8-10 hours.

Sand and mud can really bring your speed down. Big rocks as well.

Then things like the road being graded, no ruts, and very soft.

The most I have done is 950 km in about12-13 hrs. 1000 km a day is no problem on tar, so this iron butt stuff is nonsense. But do it on gravel, standing on the pegs, bouncing around, sliding etc.

The 950 was tough and I wouldnt aim for that again. 450 km to me is short. 700 km and ip is long. 500-600 is a nice day and not to pressured, so you can enjoy lunch and a few beers
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 19 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why ruin a perfectly good steak with melted cheese? Wink
Shrooms YES, cheese NO!

Looks like you had a good ride though! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 19 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Why ruin a perfectly good steak with melted cheese? Wink
Shrooms YES, cheese NO!

Looks like you had a good ride though! Thumbs Up


was blerry awesome bru!

With summer coming the long rides are looming!

Im looking forward to going to Rourkes Drift, where a hand full of poms kicked the Zulu's arses. The movie Zulu was made about it. Never been there before.

Planning on going over the Normandien pass over the Drakensberg, Blood river (where the afrikaners kicked the zulu's areses), then Rourkes Drift. they all on gravel roads. then down to the coast, up the indian ocean towards Mozambique. Its about 1700-1800 km so guess I should plan 3 days.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 19 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice ride, shame about our Colonial Brothers and the general decline in self sufficient output.

I would not feel safe in a cage out there let alone an almost grand spanker of a Katoom.

How big a problem is Hijacking out there?
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 19 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

drzsta wrote:
Nice ride, shame about our Colonial Brothers and the general decline in self sufficient output.

I would not feel safe in a cage out there let alone an almost grand spanker of a Katoom.

How big a problem is Hijacking out there?


Strangely enough, bike theft and hijacking is not common. Scooters and super bikes get stolen but it is not in large amounts.

The bike theft in the UK suprises me, as it is one crime we dont have much of.

I guess hijackers generally cant ride bikes to ride it away. And perhaps DS and off road bikes are just too tall for the average darkie, so it is not a prime target.

The black bike clubs that do exist tend to be harleys. But I have never heard of harleys being stolen either. But then again, the darkie than can buy a harley doesnt need to buy stolen goods.

Mountain bikes and bicycles get hijacked, but motor bikes, I have yet to hear of one. I have heard of them pushing cattle in the road to make you crash, then rob you, but they never take your bike.

Maybe they figure whitey on a bike is poor and not a good target. At best you can get a cellphone and a few bucks. Who knows?

Unlike asia, bikes are not a common form of african transport. they prefer minibus taxis. If they do ride, it is 125s. why blacks ride bicycles but very very few ride motorbikes, and then just delivery boys, never much tried to figure it out. I will start asking darkies I know.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 19 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was an interesting write-up, cool pictures and interesting facts. We have nothing similar in the UK, a few areas we can go off-road but nothing like the 1000's of miles of dirt track you have. A fantastic playground for you!

And such a beautiful country so obviously going downhill due to mismanagement by the current rulers. I've worked with a few South Africans in my time, and all of them, without exception, have stories of violent crime committed to either themselves, their families or close neighbours. Except one old fella, but I don't think I ever understood a single word he said, his accent was so strong, proper Afrikaner Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Werny wrote:
That was an interesting write-up, cool pictures and interesting facts. We have nothing similar in the UK, a few areas we can go off-road but nothing like the 1000's of miles of dirt track you have. A fantastic playground for you!

And such a beautiful country so obviously going downhill due to mismanagement by the current rulers. I've worked with a few South Africans in my time, and all of them, without exception, have stories of violent crime committed to either themselves, their families or close neighbours. Except one old fella, but I don't think I ever understood a single word he said, his accent was so strong, proper Afrikaner Laughing


Outside of the major urban areas, I think about 90% of our roads are not tarred. So not riding off road, you would miss huge chunks of the country and just see a thin strip along the tar roads.

only 13% of the highwaysare listed as being paved. I guess if you include other gravel roads which are not highways, the proportion of tar is much less.

https://southafrica.angloinfo.com/transport/driving/types-of-roads/


another site lists
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South Africa's total road network is about 754 000 kilometres, of which over 70 000km are paved or surfaced roads.
But this must include all roads, not just highways. Less than 10% paved.

Read more: https://www.southafrica.info/business/economy/infrastructure/transport.htm#ixzz245SZg4qY

So for me I dont see the point of a road bike and just going from A to B. So many nicer ways to get there with much more challenging riding. In fact riding on tar freeways bores me to tears. Not much of a challenge to just just twist a throttle and follow a bit of hard surface.Just lean now and then. Twisties are a bit better, but still hard surface. Gravel twisties through mountain passes are so much better and you avoid the hordes of group street bikers who are funnelled on to the tar. On the gravel you have to look for a line all the time, feel the surface, shift your weight, stand, correct, constant shifting and throttle control etc. Anyone who rides MX or off road will know.

I almost never see another bike riding on gravel. It is rare. Most times I rarely see a cage either. Riding bikes out on the remote gravel roads in the perserve of the lunatic fringe Mr. Green

It is also not a big group activity because of the dust. Even 2, you have to keep far apart. if you have 10, unless you want to see nothing but dust, you are spread so far each stop is a major time loss.

One newbie ride to get street riders to get used to gravel, I drove my bakkie behind to collect the fallen. It was horrible. 30 bikes and with all that dust and me at the back.....

It looked like the slow moving dust cloud of a Pantser battle group on the move.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Here it's the complete opposite. You'll really struggle to find unsurfaced dirt roads that actually take you somewhere useful. The number of byways (i.e. unsurfaced public roads that you can drive/ride on) has diminished greatly in recent years, due mainly to pressure from groupls like the ramblers' association. There's a huge number of public bridleways, but vehicular traffic isn't allowed on these.

That said, plenty of small country lanes in more remote parts of the country have only a fairly minimal 'surface'. I used to live in Devon and plenty of the minor roads in rural areas there are little more than two strips of crumbling tarmac (where car tyres go), and a strip of grass in the middle.

Sadly, this is now a very crowded island (particularly in the south), and the sort of wilderness you have in SA is harder to find here.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

.Chris. wrote:
Interesting. Here it's the complete opposite. You'll really struggle to find unsurfaced dirt roads that actually take you somewhere useful. The number of byways (i.e. unsurfaced public roads that you can drive/ride on) has diminished greatly in recent years, due mainly to pressure from groupls like the ramblers' association. There's a huge number of public bridleways, but vehicular traffic isn't allowed on these.

That said, plenty of small country lanes in more remote parts of the country have only a fairly minimal 'surface'. I used to live in Devon and plenty of the minor roads in rural areas there are little more than two strips of crumbling tarmac (where car tyres go), and a strip of grass in the middle.

Sadly, this is now a very crowded island (particularly in the south), and the sort of wilderness you have in SA is harder to find here.


Are these what people call green lanes?

We have some of those to, but as you say, they dont go anywhere, just to a few pieces of land. So i can ride them, but they dont connect to much. Sometimes they just end. So you wont do 100 km on these.

So therefore not much point having BMWs and KTMs in the UK except for pose value? You really wont get to use the potential of the bike.

I guess smaller dirt bikes you can still bugger around on green lanes, but no need for bikes for longer distances off road.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krad, do you carry a gun with you at all?
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Are these what people call green lanes?


Not usually. Generally 'green lane' refers to a public byway (or BOAT - Byway Open to All Traffic). These are unsurfaced and generally used as a footpath (or for cycling/horse riding), but you can drive down them and legally are no different to an ordinary surfaced public road.

The type of lanes I referred to are generally referred to as country lanes, back roads, or such like.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkJ wrote:
Krad, do you carry a gun with you at all?


Posted that on previous ride reports on show and tell. look back at olde threads

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=249103&highlight=

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=248448&highlight=

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https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=249602&highlight=

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=251077&highlight=
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

.Chris. wrote:
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Are these what people call green lanes?


Not usually. Generally 'green lane' refers to a public byway (or BOAT - Byway Open to All Traffic). These are unsurfaced and generally used as a footpath (or for cycling/horse riding), but you can drive down them and legally are no different to an ordinary surfaced public road.

The type of lanes I referred to are generally referred to as country lanes, back roads, or such like.


what about places like Wales and Scotland? they look like nice riding country and less densely settled. I guess with your rains gravel roads would need far more frequent grading and drainage.

We also have railway roads, which are railway servitude roads. technically they are private, and some are locked. The railways turn a blind eye to bikers on them, but sometimes they chase you off. They are not maintained and are very rough.

Many of ours trun to mud, especially clay ones, after rains, and they become rutted nightmares until regraded.

Sort of like this


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railway road

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https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/hvandermerwe62/Krimgettingatasteofrealoffroad.jpg
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure about Scotland as their legal system is somewhat different. In Wales, the same law will apply as England, but I've certainly never heard of the type of long unsurfaced roads that you seem to have.

As you say, the problem with unsurfaced roads here is the mud. I suspect a lot of very minor roads would be left unsurfaced if it weren't for the fact that in the winter they'd quickly turn into a quagmire and become impassable. The mud is also part of the reason why so many off-road rights of way are not open to vehicular traffic these days - unfortunately some people with 4x4s were churning them up big time and incurring the wrath of the walkers/cyclists/horse riders who also used them.

Of course it's possible to get a bike up quite a few public footpaths/bridleways/etc (as I've done in the past), but this is technically illegal and you can get your bike impounded. The banana republic s59 legislation we were talking about in the general forum was originally brought in to counter illegal off-roading.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

.Chris. wrote:
Not sure about Scotland as their legal system is somewhat different. In Wales, the same law will apply as England, but I've certainly never heard of the type of long unsurfaced roads that you seem to have.

As you say, the problem with unsurfaced roads here is the mud. I suspect a lot of very minor roads would be left unsurfaced if it weren't for the fact that in the winter they'd quickly turn into a quagmire and become impassable. The mud is also part of the reason why so many off-road rights of way are not open to vehicular traffic these days - unfortunately some people with 4x4s were churning them up big time and incurring the wrath of the walkers/cyclists/horse riders who also used them.

Of course it's possible to get a bike up quite a few public footpaths/bridleways/etc (as I've done in the past), but this is technically illegal and you can get your bike impounded. The banana republic s59 legislation we were talking about in the general forum was originally brought in to counter illegal off-roading.



Wow. Stretches of over 30 km beteen the next crossing are common here. Easy to do 100 km of gravel between tar roads. In some places towns are 100 km apart. On that karoo trip I did 150 km before another town and seeing tar. Much was slick mud and it took 5 hrs.

The 4x4 and quad bike crowd are a menace here as well. Come barelling doewn the middle of the road
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 20 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

.Chris. wrote:
Not sure about Scotland as their legal system is somewhat different. In Wales, the same law will apply as England, but I've certainly never heard of the type of long unsurfaced roads that you seem to have.

As you say, the problem with unsurfaced roads here is the mud. I suspect a lot of very minor roads would be left unsurfaced if it weren't for the fact that in the winter they'd quickly turn into a quagmire and become impassable. The mud is also part of the reason why so many off-road rights of way are not open to vehicular traffic these days - unfortunately some people with 4x4s were churning them up big time and incurring the wrath of the walkers/cyclists/horse riders who also used them.

Of course it's possible to get a bike up quite a few public footpaths/bridleways/etc (as I've done in the past), but this is technically illegal and you can get your bike impounded. The banana republic s59 legislation we were talking about in the general forum was originally brought in to counter illegal off-roading.


Long strecthes of gravel with no cages or people or day feel very empty. But I cant listen to music or anything as it is too distracting when road conditions require concentration.

Visors dont work as they blind you to small road variations.

But when there is a long strecth of hard pack gravel that I can open up to 100 kmh, instead of ear plugs I put in ear phones and will plahy music (rare).

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