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| Fruit'n'nut wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: |
Yes, you have a hard job to do, but defending coppers that clearly aren't up to it doesn't make yours any easier. |
"Clearly" genuinely doesn't enter into it at this stage IMO. None of us commenting here know enough about the situation to justify such a comment or to justify a lynch-mob mentality about the incident. |
Oh, of course we should give the copper the benefit of a measured, informed judgement rather than leaping to conclusions. Shame he didn't do the same, eh?
But really, pfft. I have no doubt, none at all, that Captain Zap heard "sword" and decided that someone was getting themselves a tazering. Sheriff of Chorley to the rescue.
Characterise your own attitude as you like it, but I can see rank closing by daylight.
| Fruit'n'nut wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | those two plonks who got slotted |
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Please excuse my insensitivity and lack of judgement.
You may note a connection between your chosen attitude to Captain Zap, and the eroding lack of support and respect for coppers.
Some-of-my-best-friends and all that, but would I trust them to do the right thing while in uniform? I'm thinking maybe, but I wouldn't want to bet my liberty or life on it, and you're not doing much to convince me otherwise.
I know you don't have to, but every time the inexcusable is excused, you're just positioning yourself further away from the law abiding public. Your choice.
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It was nice of them to take him to hospital and stay with him he was checked out, and then ask him where he would like to be dropped off. (*cough* guilt *cough* )
I'd have said, "yes please, drop me off at my solicitors" 
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Wow, even the DM has become anti police - it's just like I was saying - the public has lost confidence. If even the DM "nothing to fear if you've got nothing to hide brigade" are up-rating the anti police sentiment then they've surely got to make changes!
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| Mad_Mushroom wrote: | But that's there job, they are meant to be professionals... that fact followed by an expectation some how removes all respect where its due? |
You having a giraffe?
| Quote: | Some how when pulling a smackhead out of a van whose just mowed down several family's on a school run one is not human at that moment, they are on objective function because of the uniform they are wearing? |
The only appropriate MO in that particular instance would be to drag him out, shove him down, get the cuffs on and straight in the car. No more, no less. THAT is a grown-up professional response.
| Quote: | You know the answer to that, there's a process an individual has to go through to become and maintain professionalism, there's also a steep price tag to being first on call for the worst dramas society has to offer. |
You want to try that in English?
| Quote: | There are many Cunt officers, its understandable that they over shadow the good, but if we don't respect or even acknowledged what it takes to be a good one, we don't deserve them. |
By whose reckoning? People's opinions of the police are soured by news articles and their own experiences. I stopped at the scene of an accident recently to help a crashed biker and when the pop turned up they started lecturing me because I was wearing a T-shirt and (legal) pisspot and started checking my bike and told me not to leave the scene. I said: "Listen, I wear what I bloody like. Get away from that bike because it was not involved in the accident, and besides which, I'm leaving on it. See ya."
I have ZERO respect for even the average copper doing their jobs. I don't ask for respect just for being good at mine so fuck 'em. |
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| Quote: | The only appropriate MO in that particular instance would be to drag him out, shove him down, get the cuffs on and straight in the car. No more, no less. THAT is a grown-up professional response. |
Yes! And they did just that, we cant respect it because?
| Quote: | You want to try that in English? |
You need help to read now?
| Quote: | You know the answer to that |
States that he knows the answer to the question I had asked.
| Quote: | There's a process an individual has to go through to become and maintain professionalism |
States there is a process one goes through before they can deal with horrific situations whilst staying objective, with out letting there anger or natural response to the situation derail there intended response.
| Quote: | There's also a steep price tag to being first on call for the worst dramas society has to offer |
States that dealing with the real filth of society and horrific situations on a continual basis has an impact on ones well being and out look, the same as fire fighters cutting corpses out of cars, they detach from it to be able to do it yet it still has an impact.
We could call this impact a "price tag" because its the price you have to pay by way of experience and feeling if you want to do the job, simple stuff.
| Quote: | By whose reckoning? People's opinions of the police are soured by news articles and their own experiences. I stopped at the scene of an accident recently to help a crashed biker and when the pop turned up they started lecturing me because I was wearing a T-shirt and (legal) pisspot and started checking my bike and told me not to leave the scene |
Wicked, your so fucking retarded and show such disdain to your own safety you ride around in a T shirt and fail to note the significance of this even whilst in attendance to a bike crash, as for lecturing you and wanting to check over your bike its called impression, if you want to ride around looking like a pratt who has not even covered the most basic safety measures they may well suspect that you have stuck your middle finger up to the rest.
Having a short time to assess you they tend to rely on impressions, don't like it? You don't care for the consequences of coming off so why is being bothered for two minutes such a big issue?
| Quote: | I said: "Listen, I wear what I bloody like. Get away from that bike because it was not involved in the accident, and besides which, I'm leaving on it. See ya." |
Did you get a fat endorphin rush while asserting your authority there?
| Quote: | I have ZERO respect for even the average copper doing their jobs. I don't ask for respect just for being good at mine so fuck 'em. |
And your job requires risking your own life in the direct interests of others and constantly dealing with the negatives of society for society? Well no, not quite, your a Polymer Pipeline Technologist, oh the pressures and risks of the job..I bow in amazement to your sacrifice.
Listen fuckface, I have had my fair share of falling outs with the police, through mine and there own disrespect, its irrelevant to what I am saying, the day I can respect a politician is the day the country's being run by people of integrity who know what they are doing, that will be a good day, the day I can respect all bankers is the day I can count on the economy that keeps me alive not self destructing over night because of a short sighted bet, and the day I can respect every copper is the day none of us will have to put up with this Shit any more.
For the mean time I will respect each one who does the job Properly, even if a keyboard warrior on the net cant analysis the complexities of the job beyond that of what it mental and emotionally takes to deal with pipe work.
Who the FUCK would want to be a copper in this time and society? |
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problem is they are people too and as the local authoritys cut back on police budgets,many overstretched forces are expecting more n more of the officers,adding to to the problem,at a time when crimes and public/terrorist policing is stressing the budget.
still.....for the priveledges of an overseer.....is nearly a deal with the devil.....I do respect most of em but there's a lot of deadwood a t a timw when more cheaper dynamic policeing might save a lot of money.
social stability and equality really cuts down on policing but the landowners and the house of lords will never put a 'anti social behaviour/health tax' on alchohol.The police and the rate payers have to pick up the bill for profits from the big brewers.
the 'cruelty' are not my freinds,but considering the shite and social problems they have to deal with you can't help but respect most of em,except when they are knocking on your door with a afew 'TAU' vans and are hyped up to tazer you or slam you cos your ex has told outrageous firearms allegations against you(while just having sold the house for cash behind my back)..... There he goes Moriarty
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Yes! And they did just that, we cant respect it because? |
Because it's nothing over and above what their substantial pay and pension requires.
| Quote: | You know the answer to that
States that he knows the answer to the question I had asked. |
Spoken like a true ass-burger pedant.
| Quote: | States there is a process one goes through before they can deal with horrific situations whilst staying objective, with out letting there anger or natural response to the situation derail there intended response. |
Oh, a bit of training then.
| Quote: | States that dealing with the real filth of society and horrific situations on a continual basis has an impact on ones well being and out look, the same as fire fighters cutting corpses out of cars, they detach from it to be able to do it yet it still has an impact. |
So as well as the bits they like to do (driving about, hammering motorists, nicking twitter users) they have to occasionally do some real work. My heart fucking bleeds for them. 
| Quote: | Wicked, your so fucking retarded and show such disdain to your own safety you ride around in a T shirt and fail to note the significance of this even whilst in attendance to a bike crash |
I wasn't the one who crashed. I carried on my merry way without fretting, because guess what? I'd not just fucking crashed. Some other schmuck had. And the leathers did not prevent his broken legs.
| Quote: | as for lecturing you and wanting to check over your bike its called impression, if you want to ride around looking like a pratt who has not even covered the most basic safety measures they may well suspect that you have stuck your middle finger up to the rest. |
Yes, that speck of dust on my gleaming chrome and Daz-White whitewalls must have sent those alarm bells ringing.
| Quote: | Having a short time to assess you they tend to rely on impressions, don't like it? You don't care for the consequences of coming off so why is being bothered for two minutes such a big issue? |
It was a bit off considering I'd called the Emergency services, stopped the traffic ,given basic first aid, and just made the lad's bike safe, all before the popo and ambulance turned up, explained the situation to the officers attending, then got lectured to. I wasn't fucking having it.
| Quote: | For the mean time I will respect each one who does the job Properly, even if a keyboard warrior on the net cant analysis the complexities of the job beyond that of what it mental and emotionally takes to deal with pipe work. |
Dear me. I could absolutely PISS police work. It's not real work. It's driving and standing about and filling in forms. |
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| Quote: | Because it's nothing over and above what their substantial pay and pension requires |
You call me an "ass-burger" below, which to my knowledge is a piss take out of Asperger's Syndrome, otherwise known as a social retard. This of course being after you have already claimed that removing an individual from a vehicle, handcuffing and transporting to a safe location is a grown-up response towards a person who had just mowed down a family of four, killing the mother and seriously injuring the children, without reason.
Now I am not quite sure what causes your lack of social and emotional understanding, but I think you will find its "grown ups" who have the most violent and uncontrolled responses to the sight of adults seriously hurting women and children, perhaps you aren't quite there yet or something has stunted your development along the way, but to handcuff and in effect protect such an individual is not a natural "grown up" response for any adult, its a Learned and disciplined response.
| Quote: | Oh, a bit of training then. |
Due to the incidences of foul play continually reported in the media, evidently not, its clearly a role that demands character and strength beyond that of which any training could ever provide, not only to stay controlled and decent when you find your self in a position of power over others, but to be able to face and deal with the situations they do in an effective way.
| Quote: | So as well as the bits they like to do (driving about, hammering motorists, nicking twitter users) they have to occasionally do some real work. My heart fucking bleeds for them. |
Why is it so and easy to run ones mouth off in this world with zero credibility and actually be able to believe ones self? You here discredit every good they do because of some anti-free speech faggot shit and a fiscally incompetent governments need for ever more revenue streams?
I think that's one of the biggest problems for humanity today, the fact that you can actually take a shit out of your own mouth and what you see as a result is distorted to the point it looks like a curry to a piss head.
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| Quote: | I wasn't the one who crashed. I carried on my merry way without fretting, because guess what? I'd not just fucking crashed. Some other schmuck had. And the leathers did not prevent his broken legs. |
Wicked, your so fucking retarded and show such an inability to calculate risk, that its fucking funny Leathers are to protect bones from breaking you say?
| Quote: | Yes, that speck of dust on my gleaming chrome and Daz-White whitewalls must have sent those alarm bells ringing.
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Not quite, if you cant be bothered to protect your self from the immediate risk of the road they usually wonder what steps you have taken towards insurance and up keep, simple stuff.
| Quote: | It was a bit off considering I'd called the Emergency services, stopped the traffic ,given basic first aid, and just made the lad's bike safe, all before the popo and ambulance turned up, explained the situation to the officers attending, then got lectured to. I wasn't fucking having it. |
Awww! Did you feel you deserved RESPECT from the police for the actions you took? Funny that....
| Quote: | Dear me. I could absolutely PISS police work. It's not real work. It's driving and standing about and filling in forms. |
But you get all upset and boo boo  if some one doesn't show unconditional respect to you after you have made an effort, some thing tells me you would not last five minutes. |
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Ah, the eternal reassuring power of the capitalized COULD, but its not you whose ripping it to bits, you COULD but its Roger! But its not you who crashed, so no leathers required, you COU..... Oh..oh my..
Logical fa fa fa fallacies you say.... understood.
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This of course being after you have already claimed that removing an individual from a vehicle, handcuffing and transporting to a safe location is a grown-up response towards a person who had just mowed down a family of four, killing the mother and seriously injuring the children, without reason.
Now I am not quite sure what causes your lack of social and emotional understanding, but I think you will find its "grown ups" who have the most violent and uncontrolled responses to the sight of adults seriously hurting women and children, perhaps you aren't quite there yet or something has stunted your development along the way, but to handcuff and in effect protect such an individual is not a natural "grown up" response for any adult, its a Learned and disciplined response. |
So from this, just to be clear, you sincerely believe that unless one has received um heap big training, that ALL humans will naturally beat up someone who has committed a crime?
| Quote: | its clearly a role that demands character and strength beyond that of which any training could ever provide, not only to stay controlled and decent when you find your self in a position of power over others, but to be able to face and deal with the situations they do in an effective way. |
Not training then. Well then, under your logic, all policemen were born by immaculate conception, visited by angels, and guided to join the sainted police.
| Quote: | Why is it so and easy to run ones mouth off in this world with zero credibility and actually be able to believe ones self? You here discredit every good they do because of some anti-free speech faggot shit and a fiscally incompetent governments need for ever more revenue streams? |
Butthurt much? What gives you anymore credibility than me? Believing one's self is being honest. The alternative is stating a position in which you do not actually believe, ie: being disingenuous.
"Anti-free speech faggot shit"? You can't possibly be serious. And to imply that targeting motorists is the government's fault is beyond deluded. No minister is holding a gun to the heads of Speed trap cops.
| Quote: | Wicked, your so fucking retarded and show such an inability to calculate risk, that its fucking funny Leathers are to protect bones from breaking you say? |
My, you're piling up the straw men today. The injuries in question were broken lower legs. I said to the popo that leathers wouldn't have prevented me from similar injuries. Why don't you take up your grievance with the California Highway patrol, who wear short-sleeved shirts and pisspots? My riding is awesome, by the way, and my risk assessment is commensurate with that. 
| Quote: | If you cant be bothered to protect your self from the immediate risk of the road they usually wonder what steps you have taken towards insurance and up keep, simple stuff. |
Whoa, hold it right there! This must be a piss-take, or an actual copper arsehole. So, meeting the legal requirement for protective equipment, (as opposed to burying one's self in armour) is grounds for suspecting that the vehicle is not legal? You and your bedfellows can go and get Tazered in the bollocks while I dance a jaunty jig if that's what you actually think.
| Quote: | Awww! Did you feel you deserved RESPECT from the police for the actions you took? Funny that.... |
Another Straw Man. I neither deserved nor wanted respect for doing what I'd do for anybody. I just didn't want shit for it either.
| Quote: | But you get all upset and boo boo if some one doesn't show unconditional respect to you after you have made an effort, some thing tells me you would not last five minutes. |
Oh you've picked that Straw Man back up. Refer to my previous answer. Rinse and repeat.
Face it, the only reason you don't believe people would last five minutes, is because the only people you respect/wank over are already IN the police. The ONLY reason I wouldn't make a good copper is my lack of desire to nick people.
So come on, you don't really believe that shit, do you? |
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Nah, I'm out. I'll just say something about the Ghost of Bobby Peel, shake my head sadly, and tuck into my Sunday morning eggs and bacon.
Oh, hang on: I also assisted at a RTC, and the attending coppers - when they finally showed up - were cocks. That's 2 for 2. 
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