BBC - 20mph speed zones urged in Wales to protect children

[Bikermice]

My view on this - don't waste money on initiatives like this. If someone is in a rush and/or a rubbish driver, they will speed anyway, even over speed humps. This also encourages kids and their parents to think that the road outside the school is safer to run across without looking. Education is the key, no-one should be led to believe that a slower road is a substitute for common sense.

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[Knightsy]

I say we do nothing. It's a problem that solves itself.
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[Joncrete Cungle]

The 20mph zones have been round here for a couple of years now I think. However kids still get knocked down by cars. The 20mph zones near schools have created a strange parallel universe where kids now just walk in to the road without looking, usually while pratting about, talking to their mates, messing on their mobile phones or changing track on their ipod.

In the local rag some rubbish parent admitted to not supervising his 8 year old kid who ran in to the road and was knocked over in a 20mph zone. An 8 year old should have known better imho, at 8 I was able to walk 4 miles to primary school and 4 miles home without getting run over or needing parental supervision. The police found no evidence the driver of the car was at fault or speeding. Yet the local council 'crippled by cuts' now want to waste more money putting speed humps in that 20 zone and loads of other 20 zones.

Roads are dangerous, especially when you run / walk out in to the road without looking. Kids should have this drummed in to them by that ginger ba$tard Tufty, fetch him out of retirement!

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[Bucky]

the 20mph sections in Oxford are pointless. Apparently its seen a 1mph drop in the average speed across the zone (BBC South news if I remember correctly).

The police are now enforcing it for the 1st time as some local do gooders complained people haven't been taken any notice...
So now driving through Oxford I spend a little less time looking out for cyclists/tourists and take a couple of extra glances at the speedo, less safe for pedestrians if anything.
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[haroman666]

They'll have to change that advert then:

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[Imperial_Maniac]

I don't really care about speed bumps on a bike anyway, you can just dodge around them or stand on the pegs.

Pain in the arse when you're in a car though.

[Irn-Bru]

We have loads of 20 zones outside of schools in the North East now, mainly primary schools. They are annoying, especially at times like now when the kids are off and you still have to do 20 They should take advice from the yanks and only have a lower speed limit during times when kids will be going in, or coming out of school. Usually in the cage I will do the limit and get tail gated by other drivers who haven't seen the sign or don't care. On the bike I'll do 30 anyway, fuck da police etc.
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[Irn-Bru]

I've never seen 'em, but there was a sort of flashing amber one near my secondary school to warn people about kids being about, as if the steams of them walking on the path wasn't clear enough. I am pretty sure the very same kids destroyed that sign also
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[mentalboy]

This poll is worded wrongly! Surely it should read something along the lines of 'do we need more Welsh people'
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[stinkwheel]

They have the right idea in the US I think. They have school zones.

Drive like a cock normally and you're just an average American.

Drive like a cock in a school zone and a cop can and will drag you out of the car through the side window and stomp on your face while everyone else stands and watches, whooping and hollering.
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[deeds]

This sums up the mentality of the road safety Nazi in my local council,
several years ago a young boy was ran over and killed by a unlicensed "Elbonian""who thought driving on the pavement was preferable to the road, with in weeks the road was closed and has remained so ever since unfortunately to get to the other end of said road you now have to drive past two primary schools.

Also 20 mph will be coming to your town soon as its been trialed in my area before been rolled out nationwide.

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[richrock]

They could, y'know, educate the kids into how to cross a road properly. Instead of dropping speed limits (again) why not invest in education?

Where I live (in Wales of all places) I pass a school which has a 20 zone AND a crossing. How many kids use the crossing? Not that many. How many wait further up by the school entrance to run across at the last second? Too many.

And practically nobody obeys the 20 limits anyway.
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

20 mph zones are daft. 20mph can be exceeded by a push bike, which make far less noise than cars, and are smaller. Still hurt when they hit you though.

When will they understand that speeding isn't responsible for everything.
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[Zen Dog]

The road into the gf's village is awful, potholes and crumbling tarmac, and repairs over the top of old repairs. And where the road surface gets better... they've installed these -

https://co2calculator.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/speed_humps.jpg

But they've recently done a load of work on the road now, not to repair it of course, but to completely replace one of these -

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Traffic_calming_in_Chieveley_-_geograph.org.uk_-_608934.jpg

With a sharp-edged one of these -

https://www.speedlimit.org.uk/images/derbyrd02.jpg

Not only do they not spend money to repair the road surface, but they actively spend money to make the road surface worse. The world makes no sense.

Zen Dog
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[Irn-Bru]

I call those things wheelie bumps, well I used to when I had a bike capable of such hooliganism. I prefer the ones that have gaps at the sides for cyclists, my tax disc says bicycle so I squeeze through them if there's a car coming
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[Rogerborg]

Last Friday, I followed a marked police car through a 20mph school zone at an indicated 40mph.

I was of course relying on their far superior skill and judgement as regarding what was an appropriate speed for the situation.
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[mpf1959]

they didn't need 20mph zones by my school, there were hardly any cars about anyway as we weren't all like davros and we walked to and from school.

also, we weren't all mongs that didn't understand that cars were dangerous. looks like we need the green cross man back!

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