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WherEmEweeD
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Failed MOT - No k/ph reading wtf Reply with quote

My digital speedo on my Yamaha Xt125 x 07 only shows MPH and on the actual screen the mph is printed on with ink....

I asked the guy how in the hell was i suppose to fix this problem and he said google it, i was like waaat da fook Question

The bike has never been mot'd as this is the first time i have had to but any help would muchly be appreciated as i just purchased my speedo to do the mot and now i fail for this mind boggled.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-XT125X-XT125-XT-125-X-07-Top-Bottom-Speedo-Covers-Read-Description-/380569604498?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item589bb75192 as you can see in this eBay listing the reading m/ph is printedo n the screen.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

No speedo required for the MOT, it's not a testable item. Take it off, and it should pass.

(Is technically illegal to ride without one though).

Take it to another tester IMO, your one sounds like a Walter Mitty.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

The man is a cock. Report him. FFS i can take in a bike with KPH and still pass and MOT.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
No speedo required for the MOT, it's not a testable item. Take it off, and it should pass.


No working speedo. It needs to be present, although fairly down to the tester. I was told I need one of those, a horn and a number plate.

There is no need for it to be in kmh though.. Go to a different tester.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

He failed you because your clocks didn't say KPH??

Is that what is says on your paperwork too? I'd report him.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with you guys i did leave my bike running longer than i wanted to in the mot centre because my gears where grinding lol

And to think i knew the guy from work exp i done in the mot centre.

So what am i to do just remove the speedo cable and re do it. or do you mean remove the whole digital reading unit cause the guy just assumed from the mph sign that it couldn't read kph therefore it was a fail.

when i asked about what i was suppose to do he started by explaining some device that could convert the mph to kph (on eBay) then it suddenly jumped to just google it.

I really don't want to spend much more on mot's so i would really like a pass next time.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah it says on paperwork.

305:interior/Glass/Mirrors:Speedometer-not dual marked (MPH & KPH)
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remove it. They can't test it, and not required for the MOT anyway.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
No speedo required for the MOT, it's not a testable item. Take it off, and it should pass.


No working speedo. It needs to be present, although fairly down to the tester. I was told I need one of those, a horn and a number plate.

There is no need for it to be in kmh though.. Go to a different tester.


Link me to the reg that says it needs to be present. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

WherEmEweeD wrote:
yeah it says on paperwork.

305:interior/Glass/Mirrors:Speedometer-not dual marked (MPH & KPH)


Full of shit. Thumbs Up

Just write /kph on in tippex.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you in northern ireland?
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you have mph in pen on the clock face? Simply get a piece of card,
write kmh on it and stick it on the clocks with velcro over the mph. Now you can display in both.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the official MOT testing guide. Nothing is mentioned speedo wise.

https://www.transportoffice.gov.uk/crt/doitonline/bl/mottestingmanualsandguides/mottestingmanualsandguides.htm
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only going by the most flexi tester.

I got pulled for lack of speedo, he said go get it checked. MOT guy said "if you want a daytime MOT, we'll need a speedo, horn and a numberplate"

Either way... my CBR has MPH only. Go back to him and ask to see the legislation anyway Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what about old norton's bsa's etc.
They wont have dual readings on the old smith speedo's
where is the test centre so we can avoid.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Only going by the most flexi tester.

I got pulled for lack of speedo, he said go get it checked. MOT guy said "if you want a daytime MOT, we'll need a speedo, horn and a numberplate"

Either way... my CBR has MPH only. Go back to him and ask to see the legislation anyway Laughing


Yes, the police can do you for it, since it's illegal not to have a working speedo.

It's still not MOT testable though. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Only going by the most flexi tester.

I got pulled for lack of speedo, he said go get it checked. MOT guy said "if you want a daytime MOT, we'll need a speedo, horn and a numberplate"

Either way... my CBR has MPH only. Go back to him and ask to see the legislation anyway Laughing


Usually there is some form of button on a digital dash to switch between MPH and KPH?
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buttons dont work... superb for checking how many miles per tank Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

WherEmEweeD wrote:
yeah it says on paperwork.

305:interior/Glass/Mirrors:Speedometer-not dual marked (MPH & KPH)


Are you in Northern Ireland?

If not. That sounds like a total fabrication on the testers part. There is no such section I can find in the motorcycle MOT manual. Really, Interior? Glass? On a motorcycle?

KPH is no measurement unit I've ever heard of. If it says that, I strongly suspect it's something he has fabricated in the limited confines of his own head.

The SI abbreviation for kilometers per hour is km/h or km h ^-1

I thought the computerised MOT system stopped fuckwits making up laws off their own back these days?

The motorcycle MOT makes no reference to the speedometer.

Go back. Get him to point out where in the MOT testers manual it says you need a dual reading speedometer.

If he can show you, fair enough and can you jot down exactly what it says because I'd like to know. Make sure he's looking in the motorcycle, not the car book.

If he gets all arsey and refuses to show you, ask him for a form VT17 and see how he likes a visit from VOSA.

To the best of my knowledge, the ONLY MOT regulation which might require you to modify an officially imported, type-approved vehicle from standard is to retro-fit a seatbelt to some older cars.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be a way to change it over on your screen, holding down the button or something, check your manual.

It works like that on mine and I helped you last time.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

My TA started life in 2001 in Italy.

The Speedo is in KPH but has a converter on the back of the speedo and an MPH sticker over the original KPH text. Only one scale and has obviously had MoTs since being here for the last five years or so.

If not planning on travelling to a KPH country why would it matter?
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's C&U, not MOT.

Speedometers

35.—(1) Save as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3), every motor vehicle shall be fitted with a speedometer which, if the vehicle is first used on or after 1st April 1984, shall be capable of indicating speed in both miles per hour and kilometres per hour, either simultaneously or, by the operation of a switch, separately.


So he's got no reason to fail it, but it's not legal for you to use it on a public road either. Go figure.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd demand an apology TBH. And ask for your MOT for free seeing as you've had to take time off work to go back again for a retest.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes im in Northern Ireland.

Ok so i got the km/h reading on my speedo working by holding the mode button then it flicks on km/h.

Where do we go from here.. If i ring them to tell them my speedo is dual reading will they have to pass the MOT? Or will i have to pay for the retest.

Another thing i noticed is the km/h is underneath the printed MPH sign which is irritating and bad design flaw but then again i don't see why iam getting annoyed when i use MPH lol

BTW Cheers for all the info at least now i am well acknowledged about speedos Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 26 Feb 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

That one button can do a hell of things cant it .. Wink
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