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tatters Exxon Valdez
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Posted: 00:09 - 17 Jun 2004 Post subject: |
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leather will take a lot more fiction and is stronger and lasts longer ____________________ Past:NRG50,AF1125(x2),NSR125RR,ZZR250,CX500,VFR400,KR1S,ZZR600(x2),CB400N,YZF1000(x2),KH125,Z200,FX400R,CBR954RR(x2)GPZ500S,GT550,VFR750F(x2),RD350N,XR650R,CBR600F,CB250,KDX250,YZF750R,CRM250,400EXC,KLR650,TTR600RE,DR350S,R100GSPD,RGV250,VMAX1200,DL650 Present:G650XC,C12,KZ750,1190ADV |
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rsooty Spanner Monkey
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Posted: 00:17 - 17 Jun 2004 Post subject: |
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From what i know they both offer good protection... Leathers aren't quite as waterproof but as long as they have kevlar protection or equivalent you wont have many problems. If you need anymore help a good website to use is https://www.insidebikes.com there are some excellent tips on there for all types of riders. |
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Posted: 10:10 - 17 Jun 2004 Post subject: |
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How long have you got for me to explain in any detail?
Leather is at the moment still the ultimate covering for protection providing it fits right! When new it nees to be a skin tight fit as it will then mould to your shape and become a snug comfortable fit rather than a loose baggy fit due to the fact that leather will stretch by up to 3cm in the first few months of use. With a good fit, in the event that you take a fall, the leather will not only be abrasion resistant, but it will allow you to slide and it will hold broken bones together in the event that you break something. A good fitting leather can also slow down internal bleeding.
If the leather is too big or baggy, as you slide down the road it will cause drag and friction, and if it snags your arm or leg could end up doing 0 MPH whilst the rest of you is still doing 20, 30 or whatever speed you came off at, and it will not hold bones together.
Cordura is the most common man made material to be used in bike gear, and again its abrasion and protective qualities are very good. On the plus side it is windproof, waterproof and breathable (providing it has a membrane such as Goretex, Permatex, Aquatex or similar) and it will keep you warm in the winter, cool in the summer and it can in many cases be used as a casual with a whole range of colours and styles available. On the downside, because there is no give in the material, it cannot fit the same way as leather i,e skin tight, so in the event that bones are broken it won't act as a splint, so in real terms, Cordura or man made fibres are more of a compromise.
However, the upper body tends to suffer less than the lower body in bike accidents, so many riders often wear leather trousers with Cordura jackets as this offers a good balance between protection, comfort, weather proofing and flexibility.
I could take up another hour of your time with case studies in respect of the fit, quality and the like and I am sure you are not interested in that, but I hope this gives you a brief run down on the differences. ____________________ It is better to arrive 30 seconds late in this world, than 30 years early in the next |
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Posted: 10:24 - 17 Jun 2004 Post subject: |
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yeah it does - thanks a lot |
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Posted: 13:18 - 17 Jun 2004 Post subject: |
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There are some very nice leather/textile mixes out there - textile for comfort but leather on the bits you're more likely to land on. Like your arse.
I would have been very tempted by a pair of the trousers had it not been for the fact that you have to have leathers for trackdays. |
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Posted: 21:37 - 22 Jun 2004 Post subject: |
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Leathers look waaaaay cooler
Get a dainese set. I opted for "last seasons" jacket, only cost me 200 Fell off at 30mph in it, one minor scuff on the left elbow otherwise the jacket is fine (infact the jacket was my first concern whilst sliding the tarmac ) |
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Heres some more on what T.C wrote.. A really good read, Thanks T.C!
Quote: | Leathers are still considered the best form of protection in that it is a natural material with good anti abrasion qualities, it is breathable, strong and will if fitted correctly mould to the individual shape of the wearer.
There are for the main part 4 types of skin that are used, Cowhide, Goatskin, Kangaroo hide and Buffalo. Cowhide is the most popular simply because it is readily available and quite cheap. It is quite a heavy skin, but in some cases this is no bad thing. Goatskin is reckoned to be twice as strong as Cowhide, but is half the weight although it is very much more supple than cow which can also be said for Kangaroo, although at one time Goat used to be considerably more expensive than Cow. Kangaroo is getting quite a following these days, but it has to be specialy treated because it can react with body sweat but it is very supple and has some terrific propertues, whilst Buffalo is by its very nature very thick and heavy and can take a long time to bed in, but will last for ages although it is often cheaper than the other three.
Many magazines and papers will tell you that Cowhide should be a minimum of 1.4 mm thickness! The thickness has no bearing on its protective qualities if it is a rubbish leather, a good 1.1 mm of quality leather will afford more protection than 1.4 or 1.5 mm of rubbish, and the quality of the leather can be determined by looking to see if the manufacturer produces anything in white. White is the hardest colour for leather to accept, and often a cheap leather dyed white will have a grey tint to it and will feel quite hard in comparison to anything dyed black, whereas a good quality white will feel the same quality throughout the colour range, so as a quick reference this can sometimes provide a quick guide to the quality of the manufacturer you are looking to purchase.
Stitching should be a minimum of double stitched and around stress areas it should be triple stitched and there should be no more than 7 stitches to the inch. Any patterns in the desighn should be as an overlay and should not be an integral part of the design as this will mean that there is a potential weakness in the design and it is an area likely to burst in the event of a crash, and body armour should be removeable, although whether you go for soft or hard is down to individual taste, personally I prefer soft armour as hard armour has caused to many serious injuries in the past.
Whether you go for 1 peice or two is again down to personal choice, but for road use 2 peice is more practical and is often safer than its 1 peice counterpart for reasons I will discuss in a later thread, what is important is the quality of fit, and it is the fit that can really determine whether you end up being seriously injured rather than bruised and less severely injured.
When new, leather should be as tight as you can get it. Two reasons for this, firstly leather will give by up to two inches and will mould to your shape, and secondly if it is too big to start with and you go sliding down the road, it will cause friction and this could slow you down too quickly causing limbs to be pulled from their sockets resulting in severe bone, muscle and ligament damage. If it is too big to start with it will only get bigger, so the problem could be made worse and it defeats wearing a leather in the first place. A good fitting leather will in the event of a crash hold broken bones together as a splint would until medical help gets to you, and in the worst case scenario it can also reduce blood loss by holding everything together again until medical help gets to you.
When you buy a leather, avoid wearing things like a jumper underneath your jacket as this will gibe the wrong fitment guide, wear nothing more than a T shirt as this will ensure a good fit (even a little restrictive when new is good) and then if it gets cold wear something like an anorack over the top as this will protect your leather but actually provide greater warmth as a pocket of warm air is created between your outer jacket and leather which you will not get if you wear a jumper underneath.
If you are looking to buy seperates over a period of time, then think legs and feet first. Feet and legs take the brunt of any collision and subsequently suffer from more injuries than any other part of the body except your head, the upper body usually gets away the lightest (although there are always exceptions to every rule) so think abouut a good pair of boots (which I will cover in a seperate thread) and trousers rather than a jacket, as this will at least mean your most vulnerable part of the body has some protection, a jacket should be your last item, although you probably feel you won't look as cool.
There are various products that can be used to treat your leathers and help keep them in good condition, but the one thing to remember is that despite the claims of some manufacturers, leather is not waterproof, and if it gets wet it should be allowed to dry naturally don't try and dry it too quickly, and then once it is dry treat it so that all the natural oils are put back into the garment. Some products will afford a degree of showerproofness (if that is the right word) but in persistant rain water will still get iin, and this can also cause the stitching to rot which can then burst when you least need it to. |
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My dad got a 1 piece leathers (second hand, but unused... It was a display set in a shop)
I think he only gave £80 for them AND he found a tenner in 1 of the pockets
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Earlier in this thread someone mentions good fitting leathers.
So if they're 2nd hand with no frayed seams and fit like glove then i see no problems in buying 2nd hand.
The price difference between the 2 is smaller now.
Most riders end up with 2 of everything.
I've got a few bike shops nearby so i pop in, try a few things on and scurry off to t'internet. Did get a nice set of leathers from a bike show that beat the online prices.
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