£60 fines and CCTV crackdown on drivers who stop in bike box

[Walloper]

[Howard64180]

Hang on, I've never driven in London (nor do I want to). But I do see what the point is here (right or wrong), to stop people habitually driving into the advance box. Yet the Highway Code states:

'Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10, 36(1) & 43(2)'

So how are they going to differentiate between people who are driving into the box deliberately and others who may have been caught out by the traffic lights?

[mysterious_rider]

I don't understand? Would cyclists want to be overtaken constantly by the same group of cars then? It's completely pointless giving them a head start, you will overtake a few minutes later, then hit more lights, they overtake you, and so on.
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[Walloper]

[Notj7]

This is stupid. I sometimes deliberately go past these for the following reasons:

> After filtering to the front, I'm not in the blind spot of the car on my left - so they can see me clearly.

> When a typical complete CNUT in an audi / bmw stops way over the white line because he thinks he's all that in his shitty slow car, and I'm filtering, I need to move ahead of him so he can see me otherwise he'll probably hit me trying to set off.

Yet another way to get money from us.
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[Walloper]

[Howard64180]

Walloper, I think you missed my point. The second part of the rule states that you can and MUST stop in the marked area if necessary when caught out by a red light. Yet the cameras will just target everyone, not just 'fucking animals'.

[G]

I can see this being pretty nasty for motorcyclists, who will no doubt get targeted too as they tend to do it more than other 'plated road users.

So instead they will now have to wait between the cars, meaning you end up having a whole lane of bikes backed up in London.

[gorillaonabik...]

What is really annoying is minor traffic violations being cracked down on but the major stuff is ignored. Roll out the usual London examples:

I was hit head-on by a car driving on the wrong side of the road (while riding my motorbike). As I was on my back in the road, a police car drove past, totally ignoring me. The SoBs had to drive around the wreckage in the road. I made my own way to the hospital.

My father, an elderly pensioner, was run over by a hit-and-run driver who was breaking the law and a chartered surveyor took the registration of the vehicle concerned. The police sent the hit-and-run driver a letter. Surprisingly, the runaway driver did not take the time and trouble to write back and plod couldn't be bothered...

However, put a wheel in a bus lane and say goodbye to the contents of your wallet.

I know someone from Eastern Europe who always bought old clunkers with dubious registration plates. He would break every law under the sun but because the registration plates were not associated with him, he didn't care.

Fortunately, I ride a motorcycle in London so I avoid all the capital's money grabbing schemes. I know the free places to park, how to navigate around London etc... However, it is the lack of balance in the system which annoys. Tiny infraction - pay up. Major issue - no-one g!ves a sh!t. This is just another way to attack the innocent for miniscule infractions rather than criminals who break every law under the sun.
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[smithyithy]

[G]

As far as push bikes in London go, it's unlikely to benefit cars to accelerate faster than the push bikes as it just means they'll just get to the next queue at a set of red lights quicker, while the push bikes are again filtering to the front.

[LordShaftesbu...]

Motorbikes should be allowed in the boxes, in the same way they've been allowed in bus lanes.

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[Rogerborg]

[wots]

[Notj7]

[Minty]

[Notj7]

[jonbee56]

I've no problem complying with the highway code...

BUT FIRST, Lets prosecute all of the cyclist jumping red lights, on the pavement, and pulling out blindly without looking, and make bicycle insurance mandatory because of the damage they do to other vehicles.

We are concentrating on introducing stupid laws blatently against legally trained road users, while protecting those who do not need any training or legal cover to use the same environment

Why doesn't this happen ? Oh yeah, we have an identifiable number plates.

Compulsory train any & all road users, prosecute those who blatantly flout the road laws (red lights jumpers ).

Until then, Boris, just shut the fuck up !!
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[Minty]

[Easter Bunny]

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[Notj7]

[Minty]

Er, yeah er ok, I never mentioned not getting to the lights before they turn green but hey, nevermind, it probably all makes sense to you. Carry on, I can't be bothered anymore.
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[Notj7]