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| Posted: 17:14 - 22 Jul 2013 Post subject: |
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Was Stoner known as a rider who gave good feedback to the engineers?
I remember him in practice and qualifying. He never did long runs, and often sat out of sessions until the last minute.
Maybe Nakamoto just misses his witty repartee.
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| Posted: 21:55 - 22 Jul 2013 Post subject: |
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I've no idea if he's a great development rider but he's one of a few guys that can ride the bike at the same pace as Pedrosa and Marquez which is the only way they can get the data they need.
Why does he hate honda?  I thought he was just fed up of Moto GP/being a motorbike racer, not anything personally against Honda.
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Maybe but then it's not like any other rider has really moved the Ducati on.
Rossi is supposed to be like some kind of bike development god yet made no progress with the duke in two years.
I don't think Stoner was really being allowed to develop it freely either as the teams attitude seemed to be that the bike is fine, Casey can win on it we just need to find another rider that can do the same.
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| Posted: 22:46 - 22 Jul 2013 Post subject: |
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That Ducati chassis doesn't know what the hell it is. It's been long..short..part carbon..all carbon...Now it's trying to be Japanese. But it's the last 10%..That's the bit that's missing. The final 10% that only a rider who can take his brain out just before getting on can achieve.
I see that 10% in Marquez, Crutchlow and recently in Bradl (funny that..come contract time). Put young Rossi on it..on anything vaguely competitive, and I suspect it would be at the sharp end.
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| Posted: 12:29 - 26 Jul 2013 Post subject: |
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| Al wrote: | Maybe but then it's not like any other rider has really moved the Ducati on.
Rossi is supposed to be like some kind of bike development god yet made no progress with the duke in two years.
I don't think Stoner was really being allowed to develop it freely either as the teams attitude seemed to be that the bike is fine, Casey can win on it we just need to find another rider that can do the same. |
Stoner did such a 'good' job at Ducati that they got complacent about trying to improve the bike. the fact that Stoner would use his talent to ride around the issues whilst saying the bike is fine was just what the factory wanted, they didn't have the funding to develop at the same pace as honda & yamaha.
This has lead to two things:
1. Only someone with the riding style that Stoner has can ride it, and then only win on it with the benefit of custom tyres.. Any rider that is used to working with a team to steadily improve / alter the bike into a winner is screwed.. Melandri, Hayden, Dovisioso - all good development riders, all screwed, even Rossi & Burgess couldn't make progress because:
2. The aftermath of Stoner is that Ducati are at the very least unwilling to increase the development effort internally because "Well it worked for Stoner", and even if they did - and even with Audi's backing - they can't compete in the development race against Honda & Yamaha.
Two quotes I heard during the Sachsenring weekend, one from Johnny Rea saying that in the honda factory team there isn't a race weekend that goes by without something new appearing for the bike. Even if it's only a small part they're still working, refining and designing all the time - it takes Ducati 6 months to bring a new part out, and when they do it doesn't help.
The other quote I picked up on was one of the Eurosport commentators (Toby Moody I think) saying that after Iannone managed to flat-pack his Ducati in practice he walked past him and Iannone looked "spooked", the inference being he didn't know what he'd done to cause the crash.
There are serious problems with the Ducati bike, they had two years with Rossi & Burgess working to further the development and for whatever reason Ducati couldn't work it out, or couldn't step up, if there were any signs that they were going to get better I think Rossi would've stayed with them this year.
And Honda are bringing in Stoner to test their bike? what do you think they'll get from the three laps he'll bother to do before saying "it's fine"? - media coverage. nothing else.
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Stoner only drove in the Dunlop V8 series which is the second tier of V8's, a bit like Moto2 or GP2 so I think it was only for a bit of fun and to see how things went. I doubt he expected to go there and dominate.
I think the HRC test is probably more of a publicity thing. I read that the normal test rider is injured so why not get some feedback from a former winner on the bike and if nothing else a load of publicity for both of them.
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