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Ariel Badger
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: In the spirit of the Badger Reply with quote

I want to build a reasonably quick 500cc Single for 1/4 mile drag and sprint. I prefer methanol to petrol as it is far easier to tune to so decided on a 500 Jawa Speedway motor running through a Norton 4 speed box in a custom frame. I hope to keep this as a record of the build ( I estimate about 8 months so it will not be a continual narrative). Tonight I laid the motor and box into dummy engine plates to see how it looks, there needs to be a touch of tweaking but I hope to have some dural plates made up in the next few weeks. Tomorrow I will start to do a full size layout.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesssssss, been waiting for this. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, looking forward to this!
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 25 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please tell me you used Reynolds tubing (631?) to make that subframe.

Fap. fap. fap.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to take you over the edge Stinkie but the truth is that it is off a speedway bike and cost me £16 on ebay. It needs altering.
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generic comment so I get updates. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm, this looks as though it's going to be fap worthy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious, how much is this likely to cost to put together?
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we have an MP3 file of you hitting one of the engine plates with a small hammer when they arrive?
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:44 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Can we have an MP3 file of you hitting one of the engine plates with a small hammer when they arrive?
I know you like doing a bit of music...but I'm guessing that's not your reason.

I, however would like to have an audio sample of a small hammer on your engine plates.

Please (do it when background noise is minimal/zero).
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

HT wrote:
I know you like doing a bit of music...but I'm guessing that's not your reason.


Dural makes a really clear and loud ringing sound when struck, even if you drop a small piece of it on the floor.

I can't imagine what a bit that size would sound like. I'm genuinely interested. I wonder if it would sympathise with the engine frequency at certain rev speeds and make the whole bike ring like a bell. It happens with the vanes on air cooled bikes sometimes, that's why they fit rubber dampers.

Could use a copper/brass exhaust too for extra harmonics.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:28 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have done a bit on her today.
The MDF engine plates needed tweaking a little as the motor was over inclined and the gearbox too far back. I am now a little happier with the set up and will go Dural shopping on Monday and will try to record the noise it makes so people can fap. The first real job is done, I paid £215 for a Norton box with a three spring clutch. This was very cheap for a couple of reasons, It was collect only and rather grubby as it had been used for grasstrack. A strip down and all seems ok but the clutch was seized with rust so I have reconditioned it and fitted new cush rubbers. The box has been cleaned and needs to get some TIG welding to repair machining undertaken by the previous owner on the mount area. I also did a little work on the box itself, I will not be able to kick over an engine at such a high compression ratio so I put the KS shaft in the lathe and using my angle grinder removed the splines ( in the Norton gear box you need to retain the KS shaft as it is hollow and acts as the bearing for the mainshaft) I need to turn a small cover to press in and tidy up the job. I also filed off the gear indicator as it will be just where the gear change link will be.
As for cost..... About £2.5K.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 26 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

And so it begins..........

Fascinated to see where this goes Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:


Fascinated to see where this goes Thumbs Up


With 1/4 mile runs in the mid 10s I hope Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Shaft wrote:


Fascinated to see where this goes Thumbs Up


With 1/4 mile runs in the mid 10s I hope Twisted Evil



Should be doable, long track bikes hit around 120 in under 500 metres, so they aren't far away as standard.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet project. What lathe you got Wali? A friend of mine just sold a sweet SB heavy ten for £300. Bargain of the year for the buyer. Hope you cleaned up that machine well after using the grinder over the bed.

I don't know what the particular requirements are for that style of sprinter but the superstreet boys put all their effort into reducing the swingarm pivot to front axle distance and increasing the length of the arm, so they get maximum front weight bias withing their 68" wheelbase. Headstock tube shortened to get the CoG lower and as many heavy items up the front as they can.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not own a lathe but rather have two at school. both Boxford Students. This machine will be designated as "Racing 500" and as such most things will be allowed, turbo, blower, NO2, Nitro etc. It will not have read suspension.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the reason for alloy sideplates, rather than a full tube frame with lugs?
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tradition and ease of construction mate, the mass will be considerably reduced when I make them from Dural.
This is a rather radical and record breaking bike using a 500 laydown.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Tradition and ease of construction mate, the mass will be considerably reduced when I make them from Dural.
This is a rather radical and record breaking bike using a 500 laydown.


You're never going to be able to do a stoppie on that!
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carl_steveo wrote:

You're never going to be able to do a stoppie on that!

I hope not, it will be built for one reason and that is the 1/4 mile. Some people do not see the point of such a limited sport but the same people do not get why people take heroin. It is addictive.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 27 Jul 2013    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like a fuck ton of fun. I'd shit myself about three seconds in and opt out.
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