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Hi

Another possibility is that the casings cracked around that bearing and the easiest solution was to use a smaller bearing, hence a smaller hole and thicker metal left.

All the best

Keith
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I suppose the next step for the forensic scientists amongst us, is to find out which is the later casting, large bearing or small.
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As I'm bored;

The EPC for your bike indicates two part numbers for that casing.

GU31200880 - Gearbox cover, grey - Vehicle colour:Grey[g] Technical Specifications:See technical comm.n.302 of 1995[30295C]

Or

GU19200861 - Box cover, grey - No special part notes.

I suspect that Guzzi tecnical comm 302 of 1995 will explain all!

I'll look into it, meanwhile HTH
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[SnowTigeress]

Whoo-Hooo! BANK-HOLIDAY! I got a day off! where's me guzzi.. guzzi... Guzzi-Guzzi-Guzzi-G-U-Z-Z-I!

Right; well, Guzzibits came through with a new gear-box end case; SO....

https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4035_zps6b73e5f4.jpg
Looks like it all fits....
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4051_zps85a62930.jpg
NOW comes the fiddly bit... Tef insisted I couldn't just put everthing back together and bolt it all up; I HAD to do a 'Dry-Build'; putting it back together without gaskets or anything and twisting shafts by hand to make sure that all the gears worked as they should, and I'd got the mechanism all adjusted as it ought to be.
This is rather fiddly; with the output shaft hidden in that turrent in the end casing, and the shafts only supported in the end casing...
BUT, discovered that two of the gearbox mounting holes are the same distance apart as the starter motor mounting holes on the bell-housing.... soooo, two bolts and a nut to space the bosses level, I was able to bolt the gearbox end casing to the bell-housing 'wrong' and use the bell-hoising as a 'stand' while I fiddled.
Just as well, actually, cos after making sure all the gears selected, found that the selector ratched didn't engage them! I had a washer on the wrong side of the return spring!
[sigh]Yes Tef, You DID 'tell me so'! You were 'right' as ALWAYS, yes, now I know why you dry-build a gearbox! Stop gloating and take a photo!
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4056_zps29e48f4e.jpg
Next job, same again with the casing on, and the 'detent-plunger' that tef tells me is what clicks the selector drum in the 'in gear' position, in place.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4059_zps9bf4585b.jpg
I THINK that all the gears click through....
Anyway, that's as far as I've got.
I'm worried; I have an O-Ring and Circlip left over! and I'm trying to work out where the bits that came in a box when we picked the bike up from Noobrider belong at the minute!
And I cant do very much more, as I need a shaft locking tool to put the effof tight bolts back on the end. Remember, I used the broken UJ and a drift to lock them to get them off... BUT... now I have a new casing.... I cant do that!
And Oh FFS! Its a Bank HOLIDAY! Guzzi-bits wont be open 'till Tuesday to even order the tool or, if its too expensive, do as book suggests and weld a bar to an old clutch-plate. Guzzi-Bits sell old clutch plates. Probably for this very reason, for about £6. New clutch plates are like £50! So I dont REALLY want to butcher the one I have if I can help it!
OK, what else can I do? Well, the swing-arm bearings in the new casing are rather grindy and dry... so Ah! I need a 'Blind' bearing puller. Tef dont have one. Neither does Nick-at-the-end-of-the-road.
I have ordered one of e-bay. I wonder how long it'll be 'till 'the boys' start asking to borrow MY tools!
UJ.
Brad (car mechanic across the road) has had a look at my UJ for me. He cant get the ruddy cups out so I can grease it, either.
Beginning to get a BIT frustrating this....
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[SnowTigeress]

Typical. I have a whole week off work, and I spend it all waiting for stuff; then it all comes on the same day! So where was I? And how much can I get done before I have to go back to work tomorrow?

https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4122_zpsf7bdc2f8.jpg
Used Clutch-Plate from Guzzi-Bits; £6. With a bit of luck, Tef can make me a shaft holding tool out of this.... more waiting!

https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4063_zps47b3f9bb.jpg
Blind Bearing puller. It looks like it was made by a bored YTS kid in metalwork! and it didn't go in the hole! Bludy cheapo Chinky e-bay tools! BUT, tef took a dremel to it, ground the petals a bit thinner and more even, and took a little metal off the lip so it went in the end case.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4064_zps559bd86e.jpg
and I tried it out on the swing-arm bearing in the old gearbox

So, that works, lets do the real one.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4079_zps983cdec6.jpg
Bash in the extractor..
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4083_zpscea7ed61.jpg
Attach the other bits, and BASH!
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4087_zps940d2638.jpg
Here it comes..
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4088_zps485c0cf2.jpg
and out it is.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4091_zps76874095.jpg
Other side.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4096_zps4b64952a.jpg
And out it comes.
I Like this tool!
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4100_zps0e42e4ac.jpg
New swing-arm bearings
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4099_zps715480a0.jpg
clean holes for Swing-Arm bearings
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4101_zps2d00aae5.jpg
Press it in
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4104_zpsc3935bf3.jpg
Drift it in
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4107_zps1923e895.jpg
Tap it home.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4108_zpsc953f6cf.jpg
One down, do the other.

SO, what we got next? Mysteriouse circlip and O-Ring.
Yes. Well after looking at all the holes and shafts and not having a clue where the thing could have come from; Tef picked up the remains of the old UJ we'd used to lock the out-put shaft... "Err.. I think it might have come out of here" he admitted..."When I took the bearing cap out so you could put a drift through the hole to lock the shaft" Cheers Tef, could have thought of that earlier!
O-Ring... after much head scratching and looking at many drawings in the book and on the web and looking at ALL the photo's we took when I toook it apart... think it goes on the input shaft, in a rebate on a collar under the big nut. SO... I THINK I can take the box apart A-Gain.. put gaskets in and do it up propperly.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4117_zps573db406.jpg
In with the screws and.. torque them all down to 10Nm, with the low range torque wrench. Tef's trying to get me into 'good' habbits. I'm heavy handed, and this is supposed to make sure I dont strip little screws.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4121_zps76f28c07.jpg
And that's about it. I cant put the bell-housing on until Tef has made that shaft holding tool from the old clutch plate. NOT sure how that is going to happen; he says he has an idea that involves an old 21mm socket and his stick-welder.
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[SnowTigeress]

Making an Input Shaft Holding Tool

OK, well, we started with this:-
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4122_zpsf7bdc2f8.jpg
£6 Used Clutch plate from Gutsibits. Then Tef got ME to drill out the rivets.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4259_zps857f6bfe.jpg
Rivets removed; the middle popped out
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4263_zpsda9f84e1.jpg
And after knocking the springs out, that left the splined hub.
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4264_zps5907685c.jpg
Now we needed a handle....
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4266_zps1117452e.jpg
I just happened to find these knocking around.. I think they might have come off a Honda CB125.. So over to Tef and the big arcy-box!
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4267_zps6fad56ba.jpg
He drileld a couple of holes and used big washers to bolt through the spring gaps; then splattered weld all over it!
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4268_zpsa6b46669.jpg
Then tried it on the input shaft...needs a bit if grinding so we can get a socket past it!
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4272_zps2df9bc63.jpg
The finished tool, in operation, torquing the two-ton nut of doom to 100Nm!

Now the bell-housing can go back on...
https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4280_zps5887a299.jpg

Y-E-S... there IS a bell-housing in that picture.....

https://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x349/snowtigeress/Strada%20Stripdown/DSC_4283_zpscf42f3a7.jpg

JUST got to find/buy some screws! and we might be a bit close to making this thing look like a motorbike again... when work give me another day off... maybe!
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That is some, erm, interesting welding. You should've had a crack yourself and showed the old man how to do it.
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So what you're saying is; it's the kind of welding job that's fine right up to the point the other half says she's going to post a picture online.

I might've objected at that point.
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At least now we can't say tits or gtfo...
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Awesome job Snowie, despite Tef's "helpful comments"
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bump
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surely it shouldnt matter if it rains, this is worthy of any kitchen
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dont worry about the small details like that get it in there

im sure you could take a wall or two down to get it out again
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[SnowTigeress]

Well I started building the back end up in the kitchen last night....but I did not get the Internal Spring Clip UJ Gaiter when i brought the new boot...........FFS..........have looked on Gutsibits and Ebay and just searched for the part..........but I need it NOW or its another 2 weeks before I can have this in one piece........

Gutsibits have none in stock
Ebay have one in Oz,but not paying that much for it to be shipped here

So can anyone think of an Alternative?
and where to buy one over a counter?
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[Teflon-Mike]

Dont worry about it. BUILD IT!

Now you have the swing-arm and bevel box on, you can use the back brake to lock the gear-box to do up the input shaft nut.
With THAT done up you can put the ruddy engine back on the front; Put the rails back on the bottom; lift the transmission BACK into the bike, and then re-attach all the cables, exhausts and shit.
You dont NEED the ruddy UJ boot, Here and NOW... and when you get one... its merely a matter of sliding the bevel box off the swing arm, which is four as yet un-torqued nuts; sliding the swing arm off, two more, as yet un-tightened pegs... fitting your UJ boot, and putting it back on, and cracking out the Torque Wrench.

This does NOT have to bring ALL works to a halt!

THIS is why you are taking so long, because you don't want to 'fiddle'...

We had no idea what went in that gap between box and swing arm, cos it was all smashed to bits when you got it. There was just a gaping great hole of mystery!

You have to expect to do a bit of fiddling, putting stuff together, taking it apart, looking at it, swizzling stuff, waggling bits, humming, harring, and pondering what's not 'right', making little discoveries LIKE 'Oh, that looks like it ought to have a clip in there!" and working around the lack of.

But rather than do anything twice, you don't do ANYTHING!

Stop frustrating yourself, getting all angry over what you CANT do; note the 'problem' stick it on a shelf; look at what you CAN do, and use time you have to do THAT, not moan about what you CAN'T do!
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You do realise she's probably just in the kitchen right now, Tef? She'll probably hear you if you shout.

Or is this an attempt to shame her into getting on with it? If so, get on with it, Snowie, you're letting your gender, your fella, us lot and, most of all, yourself down.
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