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is it yo plate?
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| Fladdem wrote: | is it yo plate? |
The lack of one, yes 
I've never got around to ordering a new one and I figure I must have binned the old one due to it being tatty 
There is a chance the old one is buried under Mito parts in the wood shed somewhere but I can't remember the last time I saw it and it is more than likely binned! 
Will get one ordered this weekend then hopefully should be good for MOT sometime midweek.
May have to have a quick run up the lane on it tomorrow and see how that rear brake feels, I think it is finally time this thing at least sees daylight 
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| andyscooter wrote: | local motorfactors with your v5c and licence will get you a plate within a few minutes |
Yeah it would have been a possibility but there is nowhere exactly local to me so would have been a bit of a mission to go get one made then come back to get the bike out for an MOT.
I've ordered one now so should be here on Tuesday.
Besides... I thought it would be much more fun to just pull the bike in bits again anyway 
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1630_zpsvm3ash8j.jpg
Decided I was going to have a little test run of it this afternoon so topped up fuel and brimmed the 2T oil tank as I'd only put a little in originally. Went off to make a brew and came back to a pool of red oil under the bike 
Figure it must be the leaking from the pipe but that would have been too simple, it was coming from the oil switch in the tank..... which there is no simple and fast way to get to!
So had to so some frantic dismantling to get to the tank!
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1637_zps5nyumwfo.jpg
Pulled the pipe off and drained the tank before I lost any more oil then pulled the switch from the tank.
It seems it is sealed by just that O ring.
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1628_zpsvyqeipvb.jpg
Removed that and replaced with a fresh one (old one had gone rock solid)
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1629_zpszym2zgtn.jpg
Tried that back in the tank and it was a really nice snug fit.
Fitted back on bike and brimmed with oil again and now bone dry, no leaks 
Re-re-rebuilt everything back up on the bike
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1631_zps8kvkum99.jpg
Great, time for a test ride!
Took ages to start and then absolutely refused to anything like idle, as soon as revs are below 2000rpm it instantly cuts out, idle screw makes no difference.
I got it warmed up and tried having a little run on it but there is absolutely nothing at the bottom end, it's just bogging! It'll creep up really gradually to around 4000rpm and then suddenly take off
It feels like an air leak but I'm confident it isn't, there is obviously something very not right with the fueling though. There is no idle jet or mixture screw on these carb's and (other than changing the main jet) the only adjustment on them is the idle screw. I'm gonna have to have the carb' off for another inspection / cleaning 
So, tank back off and carb' out
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1632_zpsbbolnpna.jpg
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1633_zpswclslktp.jpg
No obvious blockages or anything so just I hit it with the soda blaster.
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1634_zpsnob0wrfv.jpg
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1635_zps1760xllk.jpg
Then blew everything through with the airline, hit it with carb' cleaner, spat on it, rinsed, repeated and had it blessed by a priest!
Built everything back up, held my breath and gave it a try.... it whizzed over for a bit... then the battery died
NOT a good day!
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1638_zpshm1hk6cn.jpg
Battery on charge and that's as far as I got - I'm giving up on bikes and taking up alcoholism instead
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Oh that made me chuckle, sorry.
It's always that way though when you want to do something, when I took my pit bike for MOT, the night before I was just checking everything and, for no reason at all, the carb overflow was just pissing fuel out all over the place, I took the carb off, cleaned it. Same again. Cleaned it again, nothing happened, in the end I resorted to adjusting the float massively just to stop it leaking but will now bog at constant throttle. I finally got it sorted at about 11 at night, but couldn't test it until the morning, because considerate neighbour, to realise I had gone too far.
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| Fladdem wrote: | that made me chuckle |
Good for you 
Since you found that entertaining you'll be glad to know that today has been only worse!
I put the battery in and fired it up this afternoon and it is now starting really easily and running miles better with really good throttle response even low down... and it idles! Something has obviously improved since I went over the carb' again.
Try and ride it though and it is still instantly bogging down unless you really feather the clutch! 
Checked the plug and it shows to be running very lean.
I've already checked for air leaks but need to double check now so carb' back off again and reed block out. All looked fine as expected but cleaned up and reassembled with a little instant gasket and (for what it was worth) stripped and cleaned the carb' yet again. Just feel like I'm clutching at straws now
Re-re-re-refitted tank and went and had a brew (maybe I should stop drinking brews).... to come back to fuel dripping onto the floor!
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1639_zpsgpgmtjyt.jpg
Instantly knew what it was.... a trip over to the workbench confirmed what I thought I knew that I'd forgotten to remember.. but since had
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1640_zpsih7dcj2n.jpg
Luckily I was able to rotate the carb' enough in situ' to remove the float bowl and refit the jet!
Once that was sorted I went for another try.... but no different. It really is running much better than yesterday, it's like a different bike... but just will not pull away 
The most frustrating thing is, it was running fine before it was stripped down and although I only rode it briefly, it did ride fine and wasn't bogging down. I can't see what's changed for there now to be a problem?
Figure it's time for a compression test.....
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1641_zpspggbjcga.jpg
Far from great
Didn't test it when I bought it as it was running and riding fine so have no comparison but can't see how I've suddenly lost compression if that's the issue? And still doesn't explain why it's running so lean
Feeling at a bit of a loss and have done that much messing with the thing over the last couple of days that I feel it's time for the motor out and rebuild with a cheap 70cc kit and a new carb' 
It's throwing more money at it and reducing Mito fundage but I can't keep wasting time on it or the Mito is never even going to get started!
In other news, the NSR won't be landing until one night in the week.... would usually have been a disappointment but is actually a relief right now
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| ride_to_die wrote: | 'kin hell man. I'm disappointed for you with all these little issues. Hope you get it all sorted. Also, can't wait to see the NSR. |
I'm quite disappointed in myself for having these issues in the first place!
I just fully expected this to run fine when it was rebuilt but I've obviously been quite naive
Needless to say this thing has been causing me some stress over the last few days (not helped by the fact I've been roughing it on the settee since informing the missus about the NSR on Friday night)...but I think I've finally cracked it tonight.
I was still puzzled by it running so lean and bogging and even though I had it idling, it would randomly just cut out like someone had switched off the ignition. Hard to describe but it all just felt like an air leak... but there are very limited places for an air leak to occur and I'm sure I've covered them
So lay awake (on the settee) last night I was running through everything over and over and came up with a thought 
A check of parts diagram for the carb' confirmed my thought was a thought worth having... I'm missing something!
Carb' needs to come off again (literally lost count how many times it's been off in the last few days).
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1645_zpsb6sravnt.jpg
So there it is, staring me in the face... just as it has been each time I've had it on the bench
Need to make a gasket!
So
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1642_zpsny3zxabb.jpg
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Once it was built back up it started instantly and idled high. Adjusted the idle screw and it now has a very obvious effect and it will happily sit wherever I set it
I need to give it a proper run now and see how it does but I think I've cracked it. It starts on the button every time without any encouragement on the throttle and sits there at idle.
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That's good to hear. Can't wait to see how it rides
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| Nexus Icon wrote: | My money is on painfully slowly. |
I'm mostly expecting this (for now at least)
Number plate arrived this morning so that's now on
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1647_zpszpk9cu1y.jpg
Had a little run of the bike up the lane today and it's infinitely better than last time I tried it but still not right and boggy at the bottom.
I put my helmet cam on to take a vid but it's very short and ends very abruptly due to battery dying
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/th_RS1test_zpsypj3njmx.mp4
Some good cat footage if nothing else though 
You can see from the vid that it's still not pulling away as it should but once it comes on song it pulls well. Could be that it's low on compression but I'm not convinced and I can't help thinking there's still a fueling issue going on.
I need it on the road now though to be able to get a better idea of just how its running and to start properly diagnosing it, short blasts up a gravel lane aren't ideal!
So MOT booked for 1pm tomorrow, I'm just hoping it has enough power to get me up the hills to get there! Once I ride down the hill from here I'm committed so could end up stuck in the valley and not able to get to the MOT station or back home
I think if it's going to fail on anything it will be the rear brake, doesn't feel great at all but again, not too easy to tell on a gravel lane so just really need to give this thing a proper run on tarmac now so I can see what's what
Have now warmed to the idea of spending some money on the motor now anyway, it's about the only bit of the bike that hasn't seen any proper attention or money spent. Will see what happens tomorrow but I'm very much considering buying one of these and a set of jets to start with.
Hadn't pulled the bike in bits tonight which has been the first time in days.... so decided to pull some bits off.
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1648_zpsclbephzr.jpg
Decided today that I can't live with the gloss gold yokes, they look tacky and just don't suit the bike.
So I'm going for a more subtle satin black
https://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/RS1Rebuild/DPP1646_zpsgv6550mk.jpg
Just doing the top one for now as that's the one in my face when I'm sat on the thing but will do the lower one when I have some time.
Probably not on most peoples list of priorities the night before MOT but it was on my mind
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Just home from MOT, it's a pass
Just waiting for the engine to cool down then it's coming out
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Excellent news! 
for the big cc top end too! It will definitely make it more saleable one day too, when you (don't tell the 16yr olds its 70cc race tuned innit!)
Oh and is that carb a Dellorto SHA? if so they are the simplest most basic carb I've ever known on a bike. They don't have anything much to adjust except the tickover and main jet If I remember correctly?
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Yep it's a little SHA flatslide carb' which like you say, are incredibly basic! Idle screw and main jet, that's it
I really wasn't going to get involved in tuning this at all and if it was going straight up for sale I still wouldn't, I'd just sell it as is.
I'm going to keep it for a while though (maybe quite long term) and so want to make it more fun and 'hill capable'. It seems to be running fine now and is at least as quick as the RS2 was but I was already bored with that so this needs a little more go! Besides that, it deserves a little money spending on some tuning when the rest of the bike has had so much time and money on it
So, last night I manned up and did something that I've not had the courage to do for some time..... I added up what the bike owes me to date 
With the MOT today it now owes me £859 which is a ridiculous amount admittedly but is actually less than I thought it would be. So I'm allowing myself a max budget of £200 to put into the engine and get the bike how I want it.
Have obviously been doing some shopping around tonight and I think I'm pretty much settled on an Arreche 21mm carb' and an Airsal 77cc full racing top end. I'm resisting doing anything to the bottom end as it will just get too over involved and hold up the Mito project.... so I'll just get a new crank when I snap this one
As an aside, my NSR is still at the MOT station
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Between us we are struggling to borrow a van, it's getting a bit frustrating now as it's only 5 miles down the road!
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That NSR is a thing of beauty. Push the fucker! I pushed my Mito 5-6 miles with two broken legs, a broken pelvis and various other breaks and it was the hottest day of the year.
Glad to year you got your ticket, did it go all right, or as well as can be expected, to the station? Now, dig that engine out and get it broken! 
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| Fladdem wrote: | That NSR is a thing of beauty. Push the fucker! I pushed my Mito 5-6 miles with two broken legs, a broken pelvis and various other breaks and it was the hottest day of the year.
Glad to year you got your ticket, did it go all right, or as well as can be expected, to the station? Now, dig that engine out and get it broken! |
If it wasn't for the hills I probably would have pushed it here by now
Worst case scenario, it will have to go in the back of the truck but it wouldn't be easy and trying to avoid unnecessary damage. I suppose it's doing me a bit of a favour really not having it here at the moment though, I desperately need to make some room in the garden and that's a project in itself.
I've brought a couple of tonnes of logs home from a few jobs over the last couple of weeks and the garden is kinda gridlocked. I need to get organised and get some kind of temporary shed tent thing that is big enough to store all the Mito bits and plenty of firewood.... and I need to be able to park the RS1 in there too! Once that's sorted, the Mito comes in
All went fine with the MOT, straight through with no advisories - it should have though really because most of it's brand new
Only thing I though might be an issue was the rear brake, it locked out no problem but it doesn't feel right on the bike, it requires more effort than I'd like so I'll be addressing that.
What he did comment on was that it'd only done 10km since its last MOT in 2012.... basically the ride from my house to there
Seemed odd but then I remembered it had no speedo drive when I got it so the previous owner had obviously just been running it like that
As for the ride there... mostly as expected really and I was pretty much just comparing it to the RS2 the whole time. Not surprisingly it's a very similar ride and there's not much between them. The handling is just silly, you can throw these little bikes all over the place but... it needs more power to fully enjoy it.
I don't want to be unfair to it because the AM6 is a good little motor and a 16 year old fresh from his CBT would find it awesome. I just need to have some more torque and a bit more of grin factor now
Have you got the pit bike MOT sorted?
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At least it looks like you'd get a decent sized bed in the tent thing anyway!
Nice collection of stuff there, not bad work at all for a days shopping!
I've spent £330 today on my best KMX200 engine well part of it anyway. At this rate it'll take a year to budget for the bottom end parts and re-build it, if I've spent over 300notes without splitting the cases! |
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I was weighing up one of those tents for my bikes and my dad said we could put the logs for the fire in it.... I think not, there's valuable bike space in there!
Flowers are a very good call considering everything else you've just blown money on, why not waste another £3?
https://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag134/Fladdem/DSC_01671_zpscjt1arat.jpg
Front ends in bits on the pit bike. I spent ages measuring everything on the pit bike, I had no idea you could get so many different head bearings for them!
Got a universal baffle from China-land on the way that needs bodging to fit, so long as the end is 47mm i can make it fit. then I need to re-bleed the back brake and take it for MOT, then get some tax and insurance on the thing, God knows who will insure it, the only picture of it on google images is the previous owner of my bike, you can tell because of the plate.
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| Posted: 20:50 - 10 Sep 2015 Post subject: |
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | At least it looks like you'd get a decent sized bed in the tent thing anyway!
Nice collection of stuff there, not bad work at all for a days shopping!
I've spent £330 today on my best KMX200 engine well part of it anyway. At this rate it'll take a year to budget for the bottom end parts and re-build it, if I've spent over 300notes without splitting the cases! |
it's looking like I might not need to camp out in the garden, the flowers actually seemed to do the trick ...... she might be doing the 'false sense of security' thing though and hit me with some bills and attitude later
I need to see what you're doing with this KMX engine, are you not doing a thread on it?
| Fladdem wrote: | I was weighing up one of those tents for my bikes and my dad said we could put the logs for the fire in it.... I think not, there's valuable bike space in there!
Front ends in bits on the pit bike. I spent ages measuring everything on the pit bike, I had no idea you could get so many different head bearings for them!
Got a universal baffle from China-land on the way that needs bodging to fit, so long as the end is 47mm i can make it fit. then I need to re-bleed the back brake and take it for MOT, then get some tax and insurance on the thing, God knows who will insure it, the only picture of it on google images is the previous owner of my bike, you can tell because of the plate. |
I'm hoping that tent is going to be big enough for plenty of logs, all the Mito parts and the RS1. It's 3m x 2.4m so a fairly decent size, I'm not expecting too much in the way of quality at that money but it just needs to last until next summer when I'll have the time to build a big new shed (so long as I don't happen to have a bike project going at the time )
Nice to see you're on with the bit bike at least
Will be interesting to see it back together. I'm not sure how you'd get on with insuring it really, I'd guess there are some insurers that specialise in that kind of thing though?
I've just got the NSR washed off and into the workshop, will start a thread on it later
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Current Bikes / Projects: 1999 Rieju RS1 50
Previous bikes - 1986 DT125R (field bike), 1989 KX250, 1980 KX420 (with 500cc big bore), 1992 YZ250, 1988 KX500, 1989 XR250R, 1988 VFR400R NC24, 1999 Cagiva Mito 125, 2008 Rieju RS2 50 , 1993 Honda NSR 125 |
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| Posted: 11:13 - 18 Sep 2015 Post subject: |
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ah the joys, quite an epic few days fettling there mate |
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