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Posted: 12:30 - 10 Jan 2015 Post subject: 1980 Suzuki GS250t Restoration - Very Picture Heavy! |
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Suzuki GS250t, delivered yesterday. Runs but has a few things that need fixed:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=298734
It's in need of some love and tlc so should be a nice bike to tinker on.
Going to give it a good clean, already ordered a new gear shift seal as this is where the oil is leaking from (only a tiny bit but the seal was £3 so why not change it).
Also ordered a new clutch lever assembly which was £7, cheap as chips!
https://i62.tinypic.com/2da0nps.jpg ____________________ Current: Suzuki GSX650F (2010), Suzuki GSXR1000 K7, Suzuki GS250T (1980) currently restoring: Clicky.
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Keep us updated
Interested on how this bike fairs, as I thought it would make a good little tourer? ____________________ I am the sum total of my own existence, what went before makes me who I am now! |
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Had my first chance to give the bike some love today. First job was to clean the bottom of the engine as it was absolutely caked, felt like I went through half a litre of WD40!
Ready to get stuck in...
https://i58.tinypic.com/in4ugy.jpg
After filling a large bag with rags and oil soaked everything (no pics as couldn't hold my phone) I changed the cardboard and cleaned up a bit.
Next task was to take the front sprocket cover off as something was sticking when changing gear and putting it in neutral was next to impossible, I was hoping it was just some caked on dirt and not something more sinister.
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As i'm just a young'n I'm still building up a decent set of tools, buy when I need, this really annoyed me though...
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After a trip to B&Q (check out the DIY gear shifter rubber!!)...
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Cover off, lots of lovely oily goodness to clean up! Sprocket looks fine.
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More loveliness...
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Took the seat off to have a look which turned in to a nightmare as the Top Box rack jammed the whole thing down, lots of frustration later...
Looks like the seat hasn't been off in a long time.
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https://i60.tinypic.com/taocie.jpg
Seat back on, cleaned and lubed the chain and took it out for a ride. Absolutely no complaints now. Gear changes are smooth, above 6k revs it pulls well and it's more than happy to go in neutral!
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Little bit of choke on ignition, let it sit and warm up till the engine note changes and it's happy to do whatever you want!! In a way i'm a bit disappointed it's working so well as I was looking forward to taking it apart and looking at all the gubbins. Now it's more of a 'it's not broken so don't fix it' scenario.
I also bought an old copy of Classic Motorcycle Mechanics from Apr '81 which has a 2 page spread about the bike:
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https://i62.tinypic.com/sopls5.jpg
Just going to ride it until something breaks and fix things as and when, can't wait for a few trips to Hartside and Wetherby, bring on the sun! ____________________ Current: Suzuki GSX650F (2010), Suzuki GSXR1000 K7, Suzuki GS250T (1980) currently restoring: Clicky.
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Posted: 22:03 - 19 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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Well I fancied getting a few more niggles sorted out this weekend, first was the fact that on the indicator the piece of plastic you push to move it has broken off so I bought a new LHS on eBay.
The new one was very old so I solicited the help of my father who is a veteran electrician of 40+ years to help test and install it, what could go wrong I thought...
Setting up his 'testing rig'
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'New' one on the right, you can see what I mean about the old indicator having the snapped piece of plastic. Problem is the one from eBay is from the US model and the one that was on the bike is actually (after much research to find out) from a GN125.
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'Testing rig' set up...
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Tested the new one to find the horn and Hi/Low switch didn't work so opened it up to have a look.
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Realised a soldered connection on the horn had cracked. Setting up the soldering iron that hasn't been switched on in probably 10+ years.
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This took, literally, an hour. This horrible bloody fiddly sodding horn assembly can die in a fire...
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While testing our handy work, the veteran electricians 'testing rig' shorted the whole bike blowing the main fuse
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After this we put the old LHS back on and decided it was time for a brew - wish I was as content as this big fella...
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Next day I decided to tackle a couple more things, firstly to B&Q to get some cleaning supplies (that peek polish is pretty good!).
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The thought of cleaning a 34 year old oxidised engine terrifies me so I thought I would take off the top box rack instead. I've bought a standard chrome grab rail from eBay as I want to make it as standard as possible.
Indicators off.
https://i62.tinypic.com/smwqp5.jpg
It's a really weird rack, doesn't seem to fit very well.
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Looking better!
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Indicators back on, not happy about the brackets holding them but i'll worry about that later.
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Used heat shrink and a heat gun for the first time!
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And finally I took off the foam grips and put on some cheap super grips, that's it until next weekend!
https://i57.tinypic.com/1ze9jio.jpg
I need to start cleaning the engine. On that note, if anyone has some tips on how to clean an engine without taking it out of the frame I'm all ears. So far i'm going with the method of:
WD40 + scotch brite all over.
Degrease + dry.
Bremel + wire brush adapter all over (might take a few years)
Peeks polish as much as possible.
This is most likely not the most pragmatic way to do it so please help with some nuggets of wisdom if you can ____________________ Current: Suzuki GSX650F (2010), Suzuki GSXR1000 K7, Suzuki GS250T (1980) currently restoring: Clicky.
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Posted: 20:31 - 22 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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I've got the gear shifter seal but waiting on a final drive seal, need to drain the oil so best to do them at the same time.
To be fair calling it a leak is probably an exaggeration, once it's been for a run 2-3 drops can be seen next to the centre stand. I've checked the oil loads and it doesn't seem to be going down at all. ____________________ Current: Suzuki GSX650F (2010), Suzuki GSXR1000 K7, Suzuki GS250T (1980) currently restoring: Clicky.
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Posted: 19:18 - 25 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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Google shall provide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeb-tN_nKYA
That's next on the list then!
Order Contents:
1 x Bleed Nipple - Front - Stainless Steel
1 x Pads Front Kyoto Standard (GG Type)
1 x Piston Seal and Dust Seal Front Brake
After i've cleaned the piston i'll see if it's salvageable, most likely not ____________________ Current: Suzuki GSX650F (2010), Suzuki GSXR1000 K7, Suzuki GS250T (1980) currently restoring: Clicky.
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Cool, the piston on my GPZ was worse than that, I wish I'd ordered new bleed nipples as well, I still reused the piston, in hindsight, I would change it. But I can't be bothered to tear into the caliper again.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=284267 (First post shows my piston, if you're interested)
It's looking good so far though. I only briefly skim-read it, what's the plan tart it up a bit or just get it working perfectly but looking a bit scruffy still? ____________________ Current:1991 Honda MT50 (Soon to be a H100/MTX/MT5 hybrid), 1976 Honda Cub C70, 2005 Honda Varadero 125, 1993 Yamaha TTR250 Open Enduro , 2010 Road Legal Stomp YX140, 1994 Honda CRM 250 MK III, 1999 Cagiva Mito 125, 1992 Honda CB400 Super Four, Stomp T4 230, 1984 Honda H100s, 2009 Sym XS125K
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Thanks Reuben - appreciate it.
Fladdem - i've been watching your thread with interest, looks like you've got your work cut out!
My plan is to make sure it is functionally working then tackle the cosmetics. I'm going to the TT for practice week and undecided whether to take this or my GSX650F.
Whoever had it before me painted the tank with a brush ____________________ Current: Suzuki GSX650F (2010), Suzuki GSXR1000 K7, Suzuki GS250T (1980) currently restoring: Clicky.
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Posted: 22:38 - 25 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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From now on, if I ever have any doubt at all about brakes, I'll replace all the consumables, pistons, seals, nipples, banjo bolts, saves a lot of hassle.
I replaced the rear master cylinder on my CRM the other day at work. I went to bleed it and snapped the sodding bleed nipple off flush to the caliper, I went to drill the thing out to fit a 10mm nipple from stores, standard is 8mm, and snapped the drill bit off in the caliper.
I then left it as is, and I had to bleed the brakes through the banjo bolt, I took the caliper off, turned it upside down and used a pair of mole grips to hold the piston in. I got fluid everywhere, but luckily work has an inexhaustible supply of rags and brake cleaner.
Sounds like a similar plan to me, I want to get it stopping as well as can be expected, then I want all the bearings to not be naff, then I'm going to sort out the suspension, followed by fresh rubber, then I'll try to get her running nicely, cleaning carbs, setting valve clearances, stuff like that. Then, possibly clean the engine really well, and try to paint it with some VHT, or if it will make it worse, come up with another solution. I won't respray it, I think mine would come up looking good with just a few hours polishing.
I bet the tank would have looked better as it was before someone attacked it with a brush. ____________________ Current:1991 Honda MT50 (Soon to be a H100/MTX/MT5 hybrid), 1976 Honda Cub C70, 2005 Honda Varadero 125, 1993 Yamaha TTR250 Open Enduro , 2010 Road Legal Stomp YX140, 1994 Honda CRM 250 MK III, 1999 Cagiva Mito 125, 1992 Honda CB400 Super Four, Stomp T4 230, 1984 Honda H100s, 2009 Sym XS125K
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That caliper looks more or less identical to the one on the GN400. When I first put the bike on the road mine was in a slightly worse state than yours, judging by the looks of it, and the front brake was poor, although plenty good enough for an MOT. Once rebuilt and with a new set of pads the difference was like night and day.
I've often been tempted to get a GS250T. For your sake I hope the electrical system is better than the one on the contemporary GN, which is the main reason I'm looking to get rid of it.
Hope the bike brings you good times ____________________ Chris
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So my left hand indicator works fine, if I turn it right the relay buzzes like mad, is it as simple as get a new relay?
Edit: Nevermind, both front indicators were wired by a half blind one armed child and have earth faults. Was going to buy new ones anyway!
I hate auto electrics ____________________ Current: Suzuki GSX650F (2010), Suzuki GSXR1000 K7, Suzuki GS250T (1980) currently restoring: Clicky.
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I did wonder what that was called, it seems to have done the job! ____________________ Current: Suzuki GSX650F (2010), Suzuki GSXR1000 K7, Suzuki GS250T (1980) currently restoring: Clicky.
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Top work mate
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Keep it up, really interesting read. Good progress. Seat looks comfy, a lot more than the arse buster on my DRZ.
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I initially bought it so I could learn more about bikes and I had some cash lying around after selling my gixxer - there wasn't really a plan as such. I've got my GSX650F as the workhorse so this thing will most likely turn into a little tourer or weekend toy (despite it being rather slow of course!). Guess I'll just see how it goes.
Was looking to buy a new front brake hose as the one on the bike is way too long but it has a weird adapter to the master cylinder so I've decided to save some money and just cable tie it to neaten up the route to the caliper. Not too happy about the ugly outer protective hosing though.
https://i62.tinypic.com/f4429v.jpg
Caliper paint should be here soon so off with the support bracket to remove some of the gunk. In the first picture here, what's the metal bracket i'm holding, it was attached to the nearest bolt opening and didn't seem to be serving any purpose?
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Love a bit of lube.
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Cleaned the disc and put the bracket back on. Looks much better! (wheels are on the to do list).
https://i59.tinypic.com/2im2reh.jpg
https://i60.tinypic.com/2m7yw4o.jpg
Prepped the caliper for my horrendous attempt at a rattle can paint job. I want the bolt heads painted black too so this is my attempt at ingenuity. I'm a Geordie so it's the best I can do.
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Now to the questions:
Whoever had this before me glued one of the Suzuki badges to the tank and it's bubbled all the paint. I don't want to spend a fortune on this project so would rather avoid getting the tank stripped back and repainted. With that said I'm not sure what my options are and would love some input.
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Haynes Manual says these shocks can't be taken apart and if they lose any oil or leak they need replaced. It also says not to get any lubricant on the main rod in the middle. What's the best way to go about cleaning them?
https://i59.tinypic.com/1zpns4p.jpg
Saw this, had to buy it
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291299553453 ____________________ Current: Suzuki GSX650F (2010), Suzuki GSXR1000 K7, Suzuki GS250T (1980) currently restoring: Clicky.
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Posted: 21:03 - 28 Jan 2015 Post subject: |
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The paint bubbles is a difficult if you are not stripping back? , how about a pin prick into the bubbles and flatten them?
As for the bit of metal you are holding? is that not a holder that the cable/pipe used to pass through, but it`s been bent open at sometime in the past? possibly?
Sorry to say this, but those rear shocks look bent? or is it just my eyes?
You are doing a great job on this bike ____________________ I am the sum total of my own existence, what went before makes me who I am now! |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 9 years, 90 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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