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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: How important is priming an oil filter? Reply with quote

I've always been told you should prime an oil filter when fitting and a thin smeer of oil on the seal and hand tighten.

On the ZZR the filter sits horizontally behind the exhaust and oil cooler making it hard to get the filter on without getting oil all over the exhausts and my hands making it hard to ensure its tight.

This often results in a small leak or spray onto the exhaust 500 miles or so later

Any ideas?
Is not priming a big issue if I bump the motor on the starter a few turns before firing?
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PostPosted: 12:06 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't "prime" them, I smear a bit of oil on the seal and nip up with a filter wrench.

Start the bike, watch and make sure the oil light goes out, leave running for 5 mins, turn off, check level and top up after a couple of mins.

Never had a problem.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same as above
Never "primed" a new filter but I do smear some of the new oil on the seal.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Priming filters really only applies to big car engines, V8s and the like with filters the size of a small saucepan, especially those with remote filtering systems.

For bikes just smear some oil around the seal and hand tighten as hard as you can. Using a wrench is risky unless you're very careful.

Next fill up with oil.

Run the engine, check the oil light goes out, let it warm up, check for leaks.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often do it cos its easy on my bike
and always do it after a rebuild.
I whip the plugs out and spin it up on the starter until
the oil light goes out.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not usually. One some bikes it's almost essential though.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:32 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prim all filters I fit ...
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copycat73 wrote:
I prim all filters I fit ...


Apart from the air filters, they come ready primed Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
Copycat73 wrote:
I prim all filters I fit ...


Apart from the air filters, they come ready primed Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 20:46 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
Copycat73 wrote:
I prim all filters I fit ...

Apart from the air filters, they come ready primed Thumbs Up

BMW ones, you have to go to a Motorrad and have them filled from cannisters of compressed Alpine air.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always put a bit of oil on the seal but thats the first i've even heard of priming, so its a no from me Whistle.

Always just assumed it soaked into the filter as soon as I filled the oil back up Embarassed.
Pete. wrote:
One some bikes it's almost essential though.
Out of interest what sort of things would make it wise to prime the filter, would it generally be older bikes?
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always prime mine.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 19 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Out of interest what sort of things would make it wise to prime the filter, would it generally be older bikes?


Kawasaki sports bikes, like the zx6/10r are prone to not self-priming, as an example. Many threads about it.
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PostPosted: 01:24 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Apart from the air filters, they come ready primed
BMW ones, you have to go to a Motorrad and have them filled from cannisters of compressed Alpine air.


Or you can hold them to yer face whilst singing selections from the Sound of Music.
When I had my beemers I found that singing
"high on hill was a lonely goatherd" got them well primed
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on the angle of the filter I don't always put much oil in, but I always put some in, and smear the seal.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

These small filters don't cause a problem and pretty much self prime.
When it comes to fitting a filter, a layer of fresh oil on the mating surface, clean the engine side and put on Hand Tight!
I've never had a leak on a car or bike and can always get them off by hand again without a tool!
Getting a new bike/car usually means putting a screwdriver through the filter to get it off... A lot messier!

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PostPosted: 10:31 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemo wrote:
I don't "prime" them, I smear a bit of oil on the seal and nip up with a filter wrench.


This concerns me, massively considering you're working with KTM's & certain models have a specific priming proceedure that includes injecting a set amount of oil into the headstock bleeder to fill the filter up prior to engine start. Shocked

Only after priming it can you then run the engine up, bleeding the air out of the same port before nipping it up, before confirming the correct oil level on the appropriate sight glass.

https://www.advrider.com/Wisdom/GuidetochangingtheoilonanLC4.pdf

Personally on a ZZR I wouldn't bother. Would smear oil on the O-ring, then fill it up & watch the oil light. If the light doesn't go off within a second of the engine catching I'd kill it & check for issues as it doesn't take much to cabbage an engine with oil starvation.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain. wrote:
Nemo wrote:
I don't "prime" them, I smear a bit of oil on the seal and nip up with a filter wrench.


This concerns me, massively considering you're working with KTM's & certain models have a specific priming proceedure that includes injecting a set amount of oil into the headstock bleeder to fill the filter up prior to engine start. Shocked

Only after priming it can you then run the engine up, bleeding the air out of the same port before nipping it up, before confirming the correct oil level on the appropriate sight glass.

https://www.advrider.com/Wisdom/GuidetochangingtheoilonanLC4.pdf

Personally on a ZZR I wouldn't bother. Would smear oil on the O-ring, then fill it up & watch the oil light. If the light doesn't go off within a second of the engine catching I'd kill it & check for issues as it doesn't take much to cabbage an engine with oil starvation.


That's something completely different, as far as conventional wet sump bikes go, I don't prime them. Obviously if there is a sequence you follow it.

But he's not talking about ktm's, he's talking about his zzr.

Not only that, but not all ktm's are the same, some of them you don't prime.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My car and the Sprint ST have a filter that points straight down, so I fill them to the top before fitting. Other bikes that have the filter sideways on I might pour a glob into it but not much as it'll just spill out when fitting anyway. If the bike's been stood for ages I'll spin it over with the coil packs disconnected to prime the engine. If it's in regular use I'll just start it up after changing the oil.

I always put oil on the o-ring.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemo wrote:
But he's not talking about ktm's, he's talking about his zzr.

Iain. wrote:
Personally on a ZZR I wouldn't bother

Nemo wrote:
Not only that, but not all ktm's are the same, some of them you don't prime.

Iain. wrote:
certain models have a specific priming proceedure


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PostPosted: 17:08 - 20 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

We used to have to prime the Challenger 2 filters, but they were the size of pringles cans and there were quite a few...
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