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wots
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went shopping Shocked
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doovy wrote:
Matt B wrote:
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Needs Moar Bumblebee.

That is all.


Well that's the stuff of nightmares, right there Shocked


I will be outside your window tonight...
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wots wrote:
Changed the oil. Bike had turned into a chocolate fountain, as the oil was literally brown. 900ml of oil 3000 miles old.
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Shocked

Looks like my shit after a night on the beers and curry.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus Bri, want to pay off some of my mortgage too? Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doovy wrote:
Jesus Bri, want to pay off some of my mortgage too? Laughing
Spend it while you've got it. Always wanted to do something like this. With this bike I could keep it for a year maybe longer and still get back all the money I've thrown at it. And make more by selling some of the stuff I've bought separately. If I advertised this for £1500 now it'd sell.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree 100% on spending out on very trick cool parts for small bikes! Smile

So what's in all the Takegawa box's then? Can see a lumpy cam and shiny piston, but explanation required for a total noob please! Laughing

I took the KMX out today for a couple of miles, and I've decided that I want to try and get a small billet 4pot caliper for the front brake (AJP Trials style thing) and also I want to convert it at some point to a trick digital dash.

I've got my recently ported 200cc top end stashed away too for 2016's breaking the 30bhp barrier or bust project! Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Takegawa Shock, stock is crap, doesn't even have preload adjustment Shocked
Takegawa 181cc Big Bore Kit with Modified Fuel Injection controller
Takegawa Super Oil Pump, needed if you want to fit an oil cooler (handy if going up in size).

Not shown here, but I also have a Kitaco Clutch Cover. This is rather cool as it deletes the oil spinner and removes a KG of weight allowing it to spin up faster, however that isn't the main reason. This, as I said, removes the oil spinner and the cover has an integrated oil filter, making changes easy. As currently the cover has to come off to clean the spinner.

The little display is an OpMid. It goes on in place of the bar clamps and shows Volts and Oil Temperature.
I've fitted the OpMid as it's easy and did the other bike, will upload a picture in a bit.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 14 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kitaco Clutch Cover, it also has the proper oil cooler points.
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OpMid on Volts
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OpMid on Oil Temperature
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In the daylight on my Repsol
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 18 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a go on the banana flavoured MSX this morning at the Ace, and it sounds good! Laughing

Even smaller than my RXS....

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PostPosted: 17:28 - 18 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doovy wrote:
I had a go on the banana flavoured MSX this morning at the Ace, and it sounds good! Laughing

Even smaller than my RXS....

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According to Helen, that's Bumblebee. Oh and my brand new Repsol, now belongs to her apparently!
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 27 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So last week, this happened.

New shock, fork oil changed for heavier weight fork oil and air gap changed. New clutch cover, with oil spinner delete (1KG saved). New heavier clutch springs installed, properly serviced and lighter than before. 181CC barrel, piston and cam installed. Fuel injection controller added to handle extra capacity. Performance Air Filter and Airbox mods.

Michelin City Grip Winters, which hopefully won't kill me like the standard Vee Rubber nylon ones.

It has so much more torque and with the oil spinner delete, spins up much faster. Really good to ride.

So far, no noticeable fuel consumption change, but I am taking it easy with the engine at the minute. I've done over 100 miles since Friday and no issues.

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PostPosted: 13:36 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome! - How much more poke with the extra CC's? Cool
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

buaan wrote:
Awesome! - How much more poke with the extra CC's? Cool
Much more torque. Average (for those dyno'd), is double HP around 18BHP and a chunk more torque.

It's the torque you notice the most, so punchy in it's normal usable range. The MSX feels like it's geared incorrectly as standard, as you can't get anywhere near the limiter in top. Though I haven't got that far yet it's easily pulled to the previous top speed achieved slightly downhill. About 71. I've done 71 on the flat and 60-65 comes up easily, whereas before it was ok until 55, then started to crawl. These are all indicated. I was never interested in top speed as such, as on my commute it's mostly <60 with a section that can go up to 70 but about 1-2 miles.

So far, fuel consumption hasn't changed, though only now am I able to use more of it as it's nearly done 200 miles. At 500 it will get an oil change.

Matt B had a go, tried the two back to back, albeit briefly. He was impressed. He likened it to a 250. Which I guess may not be far off as most 250's would be a lot heavier than the 100Kg of this. Especially as it's shed a few KG's. Li-On battery (needed to give it more cranking amps for the higher compression), removal of oil spinner and carbon fibre exhaust system.

Riding in this morning, it was perfect on the Michelin City Grip Winter's. It was pretty wet too, didn't really hold back, it just gripped.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, yes, dibs on a go.

Thx Cool
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Hi, yes, dibs on a go.

Thx Cool
Always welcome
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wots wrote:
Matt B had a go, tried the two back to back, albeit briefly. He was impressed. He likened it to a 250.


I did, I was, I did..

The 180 pulls hard compared to the standard 125, lots more torque and a quicker pick up too. You could blat around, have fun and commute on the 125 but the 180 gives it that serious grin and silliness factor Very Happy

Look at a CB250 for example. 20hp, 15lb/ft and around 140kg wet. The 180 MSX comes in probably 40kg lighter and can't be far off those power figures.

I would recommend it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only surprise is that it's an air cooled motor in 2015, and one with fairly minimal finning on the cylinder like the old C50-90 engines were.

I just hope there's enough cooling for the 180cc to run well and stay reliable, though if there is, then yeah a 20bhp MSX sounds incredibly fun to me! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I just hope there's enough cooling for the 180cc to run well and stay reliable


It's a conversation we've had actually. Bri is running an oil temp gauge on it and all seems fine. This may change with harder riding or hot weather but the new side casing has the fittings for an external oil cooler if needed.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pardon my ignorance, but is this bike manual?
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 28 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but is this bike manual?
Not a daft question and yes it is. All 4 cogs (count 'em). Strangely 4 speed works.

The bike was actually cold in the wet this morning. Engines are known to have creamy oil as they often don't get hot enough. Mine was about 20 degrees down for most of the journey today. Otherwise it's been about the same.

It has tap off points for an oil cooler, but it doesn't need it. Someone has done about 4K on one in this country without a cooler. I also have fitted the upgraded oil pump, so if I go the oil cooler route it will cope with that.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 29 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

First full tank on the 181cc Big Bore Kit, yields 111mpg. Still at least another litre in the tank. 130 mile range is easily possible.

Very happy Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 29 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great! Thumbs Up Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 29 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame, I quite like these but want something thats rev and go. Mrs grr did her CBT last year, but really struggled
with manual gears, she completed CBT on a twist and go in the end but wants to find her feet so to speak
on something very simple to ride before attempting another geared bike. I should add she was a complete novice
on two wheels, she never even had a pushbike growing up. I do really like your yellow one though, I prefer it to the Repsol one tbh.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 29 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
I do really like your yellow one though, I prefer it to the Repsol one tbh.
It is a lot cheaper (about £700) and just as striking. I wouldn't say I preferred, but it's close.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 29 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

18bhp must be fun on a little bike like this, and i stress the word little, they are even smaller than they look in the pictures Very Happy
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