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DieselASFC
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why? Whats the issue? I have personally only found Cyclists to be a minor annoyance, nothing more. Like any other slow moving traffic, you overtake when it is safe to do so, and give plenty of room. I assume you're also starting a petition for Horse Riders and Joggers.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we to have walking on the pavement training as well?
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we just ban petition threads instead? Maybe have an auto-ban script for anyone that posts a petition.parliament or change.org link within their first 100 posts?
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

phahahahahahaha

really?

the cyclists that will accept and agree to this are the ones who have insurance and are courteous road users.

The ones that won't are the kind of people who ride motocross track bikes on the road without helmet or any other protective gear.


ok, convince me enough and I'll sign:

According to your plans and intents, at what age does the compulsory cyclist training and insurance come in?

When I was 10 I was cycling on the road to get to my friends house, I had done my cycling proficiency at school.
when I was 14 I was cycling to my gran's 10 miles away (and generally anywhere and everywhere)
when I was 16 I was cycling to college 14 miles away
When I was 18 I was a student with a bike as my only transport.

So, when should I have got insurance?

What age should I have identification 'objects' ?
what do you mean by 'objects', number plates?

Who's going to pay?
How will this all be enforced?
Will a cyclist have one registration that applies to all his bikes? - I know someone who owns about 8 different bikes and rides each regally)
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

i ride a cycle .. you can go and get fcuked.. Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

banthebike wrote:
In London it is a growing problem
Speaking as a Londoner, I'd be happier if we sorted out the unlicensed and uninsired drivers/riders first. Cyclists are an annoyance, not a serious danger.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny how the videos on the website aren't even of cyclists causing danger to anyone else. Just overgrown man-children on bicycle shaped objects being a danger to themselves.

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Endangering others


Endangering paintwork at most. 100% of the time a cyclist will come off worse in any accident (except with pedestrians).

We already have laws against riding on the pavement anyway (whether or not they're enforced is a different story).

Making cyclists "more accountable" isn't going to do anything. How long will it be until we all have to wear a high-viz number plate vest and have insurance while walking down the road in case we accidentally trip and bang our knee?

Nevermind the scale of having to actually enforce number plates /insurance/licenses on bicycles or how many people would break all of those laws.

Nobody gives a fuck enough to spend any money on this, just let the stupid ones potato themselves.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

banthebike wrote:
DieselASFC wrote:
Why? Whats the issue? I have personally only found Cyclists to be a minor annoyance, nothing more. Like any other slow moving traffic, you overtake when it is safe to do so, and give plenty of room. I assume you're also starting a petition for Horse Riders and Joggers.


In London it is a growing problem with people who disregard any kind of safety measures on the road. A lot of them do not hold a driving license nor a motor license which indicates that those people do not know the basic traffic laws. You can see some material on our website and we will have much more in the future.


So no need for sarcasm.


I've lived in a few major cities in the UK including Birmingham and Manchester and spent a fair bit of time commuting into bits of London

I've had more issues with motorised vehicles than I have bikes

I'm not being sarcastic, but I would appreciate my questions from earlier being answered so that I can refine my view based on your persuasive arguments. Smile
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
Can we just ban petition threads instead? Maybe have an auto-ban script for anyone that posts a petition.parliament or change.org link within their life


Good idea, minor amendment though.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

banthebike wrote:
Now as a company we will be able to negotiate very low annual insurance payments on your behalf.

So we're clear, you're trying to get the government to mandate the use of a commercial service that you happen to provide?

Yes, I'm sure you've only got the common good in mind. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Ban the bike Reply with quote

banthebike wrote:
We want cyclists to be responsible on the road, accountable for their actions and our roads safe again!

Your choice of username and URL suggests you're not remotely interested in cyclists being responsible. You're only interested in them being absent.

Turns out that cyclists annoy me a lot less than ban-culture does. Haddaway and shite.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

banthebike wrote:
I'm just one of those people who is tired of sending his car to a body shop for his own money.

How many cyclists do you hit? I've been driving 20 years and I've never hit one. Is it your driving style that needs a rethink?
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DieselASFC
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

banthebike wrote:

Incorrect, I have no involvement in insurance companies, the service we will provide just happens to offer it at a lower price. Our services are optional.

I'm just one of those people who is tired of sending his car to a body shop for his own money.


Then learn to fucking drive. I've never hit a cyclist. Perhaps you are just an aggressive driver, and cyclists are worth the most points and easiest to hit.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's gone quiet.

Ray, I agree that it's very important that people make good on their responsibilities and pay their way.

So, your company GBR Nutrition. It was struck off for non-filing of accounts in 2014, but is still trading without a company number and without disclosing your name as a sole trader.

Can you confirm that you're registered with HMRC and that your Self Assessment is up to date, including your income from that venture?

Asking for a friend.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
Speaking as a Londoner, I'd be happier if we sorted out the unlicensed and uninsired drivers/riders first. Cyclists are an annoyance, not a serious danger.


I agree with this on all points.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had a cyclist scrape up the side of my car while I was stuck in traffic. He cycled on without giving a fuck leaving me with the respray bill. I would have liked a number I could have claimed against.

I have to agree in London the cyclists, in the majority, are rude arrogant cunts who think the road was made for them and rules do not apply to them. Horse riders mentioned earlier are much more appreciative and polite of good manners.

That said, it's never going to happen unless the EU bring the laws in. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Inconvenient truths


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PostPosted: 11:34 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I have to agree in London the cyclists, in the majority, are rude arrogant cunts who think the road was made for them and rules do not apply to them.

This may well be true, but it is best sorted out with a quick bout of fisticuffs and some mother-based insults, not unworkable regulations and the ban-hammer. What happens when you impose rules? Joe Public gets taxed and fined and dragged through the courts while Clive Bastard just skirts all the rules and continues as normal.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 29 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
I have to agree in London the cyclists, in the majority, are rude arrogant cunts who think the road was made for them and rules do not apply to them.

This may well be true, but it is best sorted out with a quick bout of fisticuffs and some mother-based insults, not unworkable regulations and the ban-hammer. What happens when you impose rules? Joe Public gets taxed and fined and dragged through the courts while Clive Bastard just skirts all the rules and continues as normal.


Oh it's never going to happen so the best outcome IMO is build all these cycles ways and where they exist, cyclists are banned from the road. At the moment, drive along the embankment and they are all over the place, in the cycleway, cutting in and out to overtake other cyclists without looking and then they whine when they are deaded.
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