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PostPosted: 09:56 - 28 Jun 2023    Post subject: The obligations of journalists Reply with quote

Just a quick one.

If journalists/Panorama etc. come across people committing crimes are they obligated to tell the police and hand over evidence or can they hide behind 'confidentiality' clauses? I ask because reading the linked below article on getting driving licences illegally the writer who has identified a person who has benefited from this says...

The BBC also tracked down a woman who paid for a fraudulent service. She had found someone via a Facebook post to take the practical test for her son who had been struggling to pass. The mother paid the fraudster about £1,000 after he had passed the test on her son's behalf. If the woman's son is ever caught he would have his licence revoked and face prosecution for fraud, potentially resulting in a prison sentence and/or a fine.


Which to me indicates the BBC have no intention of passing his identity to the police even though he is driving illegally and could possibly injure himself and others.

I just wondered if any laws or rules exist for this situation?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65889217
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 28 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the reverse is that National Guard muppet in the US leaking Ukraine data. The "journalists" put a great deal of effort into matching his online alias to his home address, dobbed him into the Feds and then just happened to be there with cameras when he was dragged away by the authorities.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 28 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

the driving licenses article you posted that I read this morning threw up the same flags in my mind.

Wouldnt want to share the road in my car, or bike, with someone that cannot pass a test (not hasnt passed...cannot, due to abilities etc).

It also asks questions about why "we" pay £££ for lessons when this "easy/cheap path" exists.
A level playing field is not one theyve described. And the journalist driving home that night after the interview must be pondering their life choices should they decide to keep this info secret.

pretty disgusting, however there are parts of this country now rife with schemes and scams that decidedly did not exist in the recent past.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 28 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Journalists' right to protect their sources is enshrined in law in the UK.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 28 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

That helps explain why I see so many idiots steering g cars these days.

Those wingnuts who drive without lights at night.

Fooled into believing that coz their dash board lights up the headlights are working.
They cannot see the difference lights on or lights off.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 28 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
Journalists' right to protect their sources is enshrined in law in the UK.


Citation?

So if that bloke drives into a bus stop, killing people, thats ok as far as the law is concerned, BBC is exonerated because 'sources'?
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 28 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Islander wrote:
Journalists' right to protect their sources is enshrined in law in the UK.


Citation?

So if that bloke drives into a bus stop, killing people, thats ok as far as the law is concerned, BBC is exonerated because 'sources'?

Contempt of Court Act 1981, section 10:

"Sources of information.
No court may require a person to disclose, nor is any person guilty of contempt of court for refusing to disclose, the source of information contained in a publication for which he is responsible, unless it be established to the satisfaction of the court that disclosure is necessary in the interests of justice or national security or for the prevention of disorder or crime."

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PostPosted: 17:57 - 28 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
...unless it be established to the satisfaction of the court that disclosure is necessary in the interests of justice or national security or for the prevention of disorder or crime.


Arranging a dodgy driving licence isn't a small one-off crime so surely requiring disclosure of the source would prevent future crime (i.e. driving without a valid licence and insurance) Thinking
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 29 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:

Contempt of Court Act 1981, section 10:

"Sources of information.
No court may require a person to disclose, nor is any person guilty of contempt of court for refusing to disclose, the source of information contained in a publication for which he is responsible, unless it be established to the satisfaction of the court that disclosure is necessary in the interests of justice or national security or for the prevention of disorder or crime."

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Well, this case certainly falls into that bracket as Easy says above.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 29 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The the courts traditionally set the bar quite high for this, though, and one person driving illegally wouldn't get over it.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 29 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


Well, this case certainly falls into that bracket as Easy says above.


Ste beat me to the source and saved me delving into legislation so thanks for that!

The bar is usually set as high as national security level which will involve some organised crime. Intelligence sources are very important hence the protection.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 29 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
The bar is usually set as high as national security level which will involve some organised crime. Intelligence sources are very important hence the protection.


That nicely explains the Ukraine leak guy but there's still something unseemly about filming the arrest. Like vultures letting the lions know which one of the zebras crapped in their den so they can pick at the remains of the carcase.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 29 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Arranging a dodgy driving licence isn't a small one-off crime so surely requiring disclosure of the source would prevent future crime (i.e. driving without a valid licence and insurance) Thinking

Disclosure of their source? Thinking

"Fraudsters who offer to help people illegally pass their UK driving tests are advertising their services widely across social media, the BBC has found.

More than 600 pages, groups and accounts exist on Facebook and TikTok promising licences without taking tests - with thousands of followers."

Those fraudsters advertising on social media are the source, one kid with a dodgy driving license is small fry.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 29 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if this is the right place for this but I'll just drop it in here anyway:-
We all look the same to them so what could possibly go wrong?
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 29 Jun 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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