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 Posted: 23:16 - 26 Dec 2004  Post subject: Some help on yet more Karma issues..... |
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Guys, I really do think that perhaps it is time to get rid of Karma and just have a really cool forum....
Nobody, but nobody has stinking Karma on their forums except bike chat, it is just a stress that is not necessary.
I have been on here for quite a long time now and really enjoy it, but this karma system winds me up.
Can anyone tell me why, when I was replying to a post, with a karma that is all in the green, to a post that was not rude, out of order, no negative posts, no friends made when I should not have made friends because I did not have my contact details entered, no rules broken, no animated avatars, no images posted in the wrong areas, etc etc....
Why, did I get this pop up message?
Karma Warning
If you submit this post without fixing the problems detailed
below the main text input box your karma rating may suffer
Have you read the karma guide?
There were no problems detailed below, so how the hell can I fix the problem when I can not see what the problem is?
I tell you, as much as I love this forum and enjoy it very very much, the rules are just stifling and I feel tempted to just call it a day and move on to other forums where I do not feel like I am being ruled by a load of hitlers?
Come on guys, I know I am not a really long term forum member, but I do feel that I contribute a lot to making this forum work, do you really want to p1ss off all your members into leaving over time.
It seems no matter how hard you try to not break the massive list of rules on this forum, you will always end up getting bollocked for something.
Come on, lighten up a little, stop being power crazed and let people really enjoy what forum chat is all about!
This place could be huge, massive, the best on the net, if only the rules were calmed down a little...... 
Nuf, said, ooops spelling, that will damage my karma.
I am off my soap box, lets get it over with, flame me..... 
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| Posted: 23:19 - 26 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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Mr Pants, I completely agree with you, but you won't get anywhere complaining about it, trust me I've learnt that one..
It's a case of like it, lump it or leave I'm afraid....
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| Posted: 23:24 - 26 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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I'm with you man, some people on here like to have the karma thuo, so they can show it off, i must admit when i first jonied here i did want the gold karma, but now its lossing its apeal. so i gave up, plus my spelling was to bad. but if its gona i doubt many people would notice. 
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| Posted: 23:31 - 26 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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| Yams wrote: | Mr Pants, I completely agree with you, but you won't get anywhere complaining about it, trust me I've learnt that one..
It's a case of like it, lump it or leave I'm afraid.... |
But thats sad, it is member, (excuse me for being big headed here...), like myself who make forums work well, they show interest, add topics and do their best to fit in and make new friends. On here, you dare to make a friend, you get flamed because you have not done something before you make them a friend.
I had loads of people I liked on here who I thought, yeah, they are a nice chap or chapess, I will add them to my buddy list, but no, that breaks the rules! So now, all the mates I added, have been deleted!
This forum seems to be full of dedicated members who are all very keen to make it work, if all your members p1ss off because they have had enough of the rules and regs, then what the hell is the point of the forum.
I really think that you Admins, hopefully being good business people, should listen to your serious members like me and take note, this karma and very strict regulations is the one thing that really puts me off this forum.
I do nothing to offend or disrupt this forum, I only add, yet I seem to be breach of the rules so regular which makes me believe that the rules are over the top!
Unfortunately I am in the minority, so my voice will not be heard, so like Yams says, it is a case of like it or lump it!
Sad and dare I say it, very childish.
We are adults, lets not rule it with an iron fist and relax a little, make it work even better...
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| Posted: 23:33 - 26 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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Fuck Karma, jump on your bike and ride it...Oh wait more rules and regs to follow then! 
See what I am getting at? There has to be some way of controlling (to a certain extent) what goes on. From how I interpret the Karma system, it is a way of ensuring you don't need a moderator around 24/7 to keep an eye on everything. OK, so maybe the Karma system can be a bit OTT but still, when need be it bans members without Korn and Co having to log on and ban them manually.
Yes, the Karma system can be a tad anal....Yes, it is different to a lot of different forums. *If* you really don't care about your Karma just post away. I for one rarely ever use the "Disagree" rating, just because it's a bit unfair for somebodies Karma to suffer, just because you don't agree with them.
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| Posted: 23:39 - 26 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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Hasn't this been done to death by now? It's here, just learn to live with it
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| Posted: 23:48 - 26 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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There is one admin (afaik) and that is Korn.
The Karma system (again afaik) has been here since the beginning after the migration from NSR125.com. Originally the karma system allowed members to give and receive karma, but I'm guessing that this was easily abused.
Next came the pure spelling and grammar Karma, but again this was seen as dictatorial and limiting by a very small minority.
Now The Karma system is based loosely upon ratings and on some small level on spelling and grammar.
Now, this bit is important IMO:
The friends system was instigated after the accident back in april, in order to provide contact details for members if the unthinkable should happen and a member should be involved in an accident. It is not intended to be an MSN buddy type system, it is intended purely to provide personal details to those members whom we might meet in the real world. This is for 'meeting up' and emergency contact purposes.
Again, the ratings, spelling and grammar has a very little effect on one's karma unless a number of members rate a post as abusive or spam. Ratings have now been modified so that any one member has a limit on the number of ratings they may give in a period of time. This is to prevent members from giving ratings in order to boost their own karma.
IMO Karma is just a device to make the forum stand out from others and prevent open abuse and spam. It isn't anything to get worked up about. As long as you aren't threatening people, or calling people names, or spamming the forum, what is there to worry about?
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| Posted: 23:54 - 26 Dec 2004 Post subject: Re: Some help on yet more Karma issues..... |
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| Ste wrote: | | Mr Pants! wrote: | This place could be huge, massive |
Hmmm, the size of BCF is one of the things I like about this place over somewhere the size of say Visor Down.
What was the post where it popped that warning up; was it in fights and flame wars or with nested quotes in it?
With regards to the friends system it had to be changed as people were using it in point scoring competition and not what it was made for; sharing your contact details with people you're happy to have them. There were people going round setting everyone as a friend in the hope that they'd be set as a friend back. But that then raises the question "Well if they're childish enough that it makes them happy then why does it matter?" as the system was still being used in a more sensible way so if people want to play silly buggers then let them.
The one thing which is good about the karma system is there are plenty of people who make it their sole objective on here to make their karma go up, which makes the forum good (in general terms) for all the other members.
18aprilia, it was introduced what must be about a year and a half ago, there is one admin; Korn. Did people vote for it? I believe Korn made it after getting fed up by all the problems that it controls without the need for human intervention.
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I was replying to a post I started called, "what did you get for Xmas" with some 45 replies on so far, no negatives I am all in the greens so why do I have to be warned.
In terms of scoring, how sad, so we are running on the rules, the minority ruin it for the majority. I purely used it for people I PM'd and seemed to have a relationship more than just post replies, but they have all been taken off me because of stinking karma.
Talking from a massive amount of forum experience, I do not feel the karma adds or solves more problems than it creates. I know the hard core members on here are going to bleat on about how good it is, but its not, I am telling you.
You get your handful of "in the gang" forum members who like it and the rest of us can get to f**k!
I am an easy going person who loves to make new mates on the web, but this is not the way guys, honest.
I tell you what, scrap karma for 3 months and see how it effects the forum, for better or worse....
Or put it out to the vote, I dunno.....
Perhaps keep karma but lighten up the rules...
It is easy to criticise, but when you get on the negative side of karma for no real reason, its is very annoying!
Here goes another spell check on the spell check system that does not work all that well....
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| Posted: 00:00 - 27 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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I feel that people are too scared to post what they really think, too scared of losing karma for doing this that and the other, which I don't like... I also hate the way that people with gold karma seem to think they are so much better than other members, I've noticed it a lot, I used to have 3 gold karma (even after it was modded) but I was fucked off with peoples attitutes to karma, so I posted in F&FW until I got it down to green blobs (I was sooo going to post in there till I got banned wondered if the karma system would ban me?? I might try that actually next time I'm really bored )
But when it comes down to it, I really couldn't give a shit, karma or no karma I just post to suit the forum, if this forum means I have to spell properly, then no problems about that... I don't post half as much as I used to any more, but meh, that's not all about the karma anyway.
It's got good points, it's got bad points... either way most aren't that bothered by it...
I won't lose any sleep over it staying, or over it going.
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| Posted: 00:06 - 27 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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| Silver wrote: | Nested quotes!
And a grammar/spelling mistake!
| Mr Pants! wrote: | its is very annoying! |
It's straight to Hell for you!
Just chill. You have enough Karma that it shouldn't adversely affect your usage of this forum so why worry? |
You are missing the point buddy.
This is not just about me getting a warning, nor my karma levels, to be quite honest, whilst in the beginning it did matter to me what my karma level was, I really could not give a stuff now.
So if my karma drops, what happens, I get p1ssed of and leave. say another good member like myself does the same and another and another......
Yes, you will have all your long term, serious serious members on here, but you will never really take off with loads of new people, new faces, even more so, new conversation..... Why? because they have a few months or more of being bollocked and flamed and leave for a more easy going forum!
I know you get your tossers on here and it feels good to flame them into the red so their posts collapse, but that is the only time in my view that karma works. Other than that it just p1ssed off the majority.
I agree, again with Yams. There have been so many posts I wanted to put up, but thought, perhaps not incase I get my karma fcuked. They could have been interesting posts that would add, perhaps not, we will never know because of karma.
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I agree, again with Yams. There have been so many posts I wanted to put up, but thought, perhaps not incase I get my karma fcuked. They could have been interesting posts that would add, perhaps not, we will never know because of karma. |
Oh I completely agree there! I find this especially a problem in cultural thread where a certain members view could be deemed "racist" and so has to put on a massive flameproof jacket and curb around his/her true opinion.
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| Posted: 00:14 - 27 Dec 2004 Post subject: |
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In some respects people getting really worried about is the karma system going to like what they post is a good thing. Basically, if your post is good then the karma will reflect it and if it's a shit post it'll reflect it and some people (as 18aprilia has shown) want their karma to go up. So them wanting it to go up (and hopefully doing something to make it go up) improves the content of the forum.
It doesn't ban you Yams, it leaves BCF open to you and all you can do is send Korn PM's. So perhaps get the karma system to ban you and then if you're still bored PM Korn lots asking him to unban you.
Mr. Pants, with regards to the friends system as Mark has put it was changed as it is for giving details to people you're meeting so that if necessary people have each others contact details. Quite sensible really as it means if you go out on a rideout with people from here and someone has a crash and ends up in hospital everyone knows who to contact. |
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I've never decided against posting anything because of possible bad karma.
Its up to you. If you want to get hung up on karma, and wether a post will kill yours, then you have missed the point IMO.
The only people who ought to worry about karma is spammers and trolls. 
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| MarJay wrote: | I've never decided against posting anything because of possible bad karma.
Its up to you. If you want to get hung up on karma, and wether a post will kill yours, then you have missed the point IMO.
The only people who ought to worry about karma is spammers and trolls. |
Whilst I could not quote, or be arsed to search, I am sure there have been several potential good members this forum has lost because they come back to login to this forum and see they are in the red or have lost all the karma they have built up through some stupid post they may have put up.
In all the forums I am a member of I post what I like when I like and have no problem, perhaps the odd post I put up disapears off the bottom of the page as no one is interested. But I really do have to think carefully before posting here, I feel concerned about this post and am amazed my posts are not already collapsing!
Perhaps, if the admins are or admin are truly interested in their forum expanding even more in the future should put it to the vote or perhaps a suggestions column? But a suggestions column that listens.
All I am saying is, I see lots of posts complaining about karma and the usual names piping up saying it is good. Perhaps it is time Korn really looked at the system and thought about what effect it is having on this forum.
I want to see lots of "hi, I am new here" and "newbie" posts, then see those people stay and not get flamed out of the door becuase they dare to use abbreviations.....
Get rid of this karma system, spammers can be removed by admin in a flash. Make us a load of moderators, I would be up for that! I am sure there are lots of serious members who could be your moderators and could eliminate spammers.
Drop Karma!!! 
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