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IronMaiden
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 18 Mar 2006    Post subject: Help - Moving to London Reply with quote

Due to my husband getting an excellent job offer in London ( in Canary Wharf area), we will be moving from South Africa to London in a couple of months. I have no idea what to expect. I have travelled quite a lot but I don't know London that well.

As I have no idea where the nicer areas in London are to live in, I am hoping that the BCF members could give me some advise please.

What areas would you suggest? I would like something with a garden if possible, I am not an apartment type person. I really don't want to live in a high rise in the city centre. I love nature but need to be close enough to comute to Canary Wharf.

Also I will have to sell the Honda CBR600 before I leave.

Does anyone have an idea of how much a new Honda Blade 1000RR will cost in the UK?

Thanks so much for any help !!
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 18 Mar 2006    Post subject: Re: Help - Moving to London Reply with quote

How much commuting is he prepared to do?

Living costs around that area and within commuting distance aint going to be great.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 18 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

A new Blade? I think around £9,000.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 19 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As I have no idea where the nicer areas in London are to live in

I live in London/the burbs. About 5 or so miles from Canary Wharf actually. Around here there are dodgy council estat'es with the occasional shooting/stabbing that back right onto houses worth Million's with Ferrari's/Porsche's in them etc. Surreal, indeed.

Where to live depend's how much you have to spend. If it's around a few undred then consider living in North Kent or South Essex. Both within 20 mile's of Canary Wharf which will probably be an hour to an hour and a half drive, or 45 min ride.

Put it this way, I live with my parent's in a 3 bed council house. Area's ok but usual dickhead's about doing dodgy stuff (see above for 10 min walk away) and the houses are worth around £180k atm.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 19 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to buy/rent property then have a look at www.rightmove.com
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 19 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reuben wrote:
Put it this way, I live with my parent's in a 3 bed council house. Area's ok but usual dickhead's about doing dodgy stuff (see above for 10 min walk away) and the houses are worth around £180k atm.
Bi heck!! £180k, that could buy you a mansion up north Laughing This has also reminded of what the price differences are between north & south, a few months back my dad had to be a tour guide around the coal mine where he works because someone from London was coming up to inspect it for some reason and he commented that he owned some small terraced house that was worth £400k somewhere in London and he was driving around West Yorkshire and said that the same amount of money could buy you a massive mansion, 'X' amount of acres, swimming pool, etc up north. I was truly shocked.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 20 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

VivaCity wrote:
Reuben wrote:
Put it this way, I live with my parent's in a 3 bed council house. Area's ok but usual dickhead's about doing dodgy stuff (see above for 10 min walk away) and the houses are worth around £180k atm.
Bi heck!! £180k, that could buy you a mansion up north Laughing This has also reminded of what the price differences are between north & south, a few months back my dad had to be a tour guide around the coal mine where he works because someone from London was coming up to inspect it for some reason and he commented that he owned some small terraced house that was worth £400k somewhere in London and he was driving around West Yorkshire and said that the same amount of money could buy you a massive mansion, 'X' amount of acres, swimming pool, etc up north. I was truly shocked.


Yeap, house prices are really exadurated here in london.

Thats why im thingking of moving up north, plus get a better lifestyle.

Any suggestions?
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PostPosted: 01:51 - 20 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

LondonBiker wrote:
Any suggestions?

Stay in the South.

They're cheaper up North for a reason, they really are.
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PostPosted: 04:04 - 20 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

LondonBiker wrote:
exadurated

Is that anything like exaggerated?
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 20 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZRX61 wrote:
LondonBiker wrote:
exadurated

Is that anything like exaggerated?


Same meaning, but then again im from Norf Landan. Wink
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 20 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeap, house prices are really exadurated here in london.

Thats why im thingking of moving up north, plus get a better lifestyle.

Any suggestions?


don't!

I've moved south and wanna stay (SW) its cheaper up north cus:

High crime check one of my posts about insurance most of them are high risk areas full of chavs , guns ,drugs etc.


As said you can buy houses in Salford terraced houses 3 bed indoor bathroom etc for £15K, the kicker is that all the houses nearby are boarded up , the police dare not come if you are in trouble , the fire service won't come without police escort.

And chavs murder people for not giving them a light.

Usuallt they are industrial towns where the industry has gone and there is no hope and generally no future
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 20 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuting into London is the best option, Canary Wharf is very easy to get to. I'd suggest looking for propertys in Kent area, east of London and preferably outside of the M25.

Your best bet is to have a look at main line trains into the City and look at town's and villages alone those train lines (or close by). My train journey into the City is about 30 mins from Hertfordshire, and cost it around £170 per month.

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PostPosted: 13:09 - 20 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your best bet would probably be South East London/Kent. There are a lot of mainline trains that stop at Greenwich and Lewisham, and from there you get the DLR right to Canary Wharf. I reckon from zone 5 & 6 you could probably do the communte in under an hour.

For example somewhere like Orpington (zone 6), you would get a 2 bed house for around 190k and commute would be under an hour. No idea what the area is like mind you! Probably best thing to do is download this tube/train map:

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/lon_con.pdf

...and see what places have train stations that are convenient to get to Canary Wharf. Then check out www.findaproperty.co.uk and look at the areas, and it should give you an idea of property prices. Expect to pay around 85 quid a month for a zone 2 - 5 ticket or around 105 quid for a zone 2 - 6 ticket.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 20 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I live in Beckenham. Which is on the London/Kent border. My station is in Zone 4, and my annual ticket to London (return only, not travelcard) is under £1,000 a year.

Trains stop at Lewisham where you change for the DLR. During the rush hour there are 3 or 4 trains an hour wich is good.

The only bugger is property prices can be a bit of a stinger.

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For example somewhere like Orpington (zone 6)


Orpington is a strange one, loads of houses that cost a bomb, but I'd suggest avoiding ares like St Mary's Cray, or St Paul's Cray, they are full of pikeys. Orpinton does have a problem with them apparantly.

The first things you need to decide are what you have to spend on a property and also how far/how much you are prepared to throw at commuting.

I used to ride a motorbike from Stevenage to the City every day. It can easily kil la bit if you dont maintain it, if you have a high maintenance bike, then maybe consider the train.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 20 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Flip says a new Blade will cost around £9,000. As far as where to live, Canary Wharf is a bit of a bugger of you want to live on the West side of London and South and East are a bit iffy. Depending on your budget you could try areas such as Blackheath, Crystal Palace and Lee which are fairly accessible for the Docklands & are reasonably pleasant areas!!
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Canary Wharf is a bit of a bugger of you want to live on the West side of London


Its not THAT much of a bugger.

On my bike I can get from Fulham to Ilford, having to go right thru the centre of London, in less than 45 minutes.

Although its a bit expensive in West/South West London, but a lot of Sarf Efrikans settle over that way. Its quite pleasant (and only a few less muggings/shootings than East or South London Rolling Eyes )

If your husband has a snazzy job here, are they not offering him snazzy accommodation to go with it?

If you like nature you could try around the Epping area, which is kind of nice, and with a forest - and only just outside the other side of East London. Not especially cheap but very nice (for East London). Right on the borders of the city but also close to what I would call "the countryside".
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Re: Help - Moving to London Reply with quote

IronMaiden wrote:

As I have no idea where the nicer areas in London are to live in, I am hoping that the BCF members could give me some advise please.


Sorry for the negative post but I couldn't help but laugh, nicer areas in London Laughing

Best thing I ever did was move out of the...?
dump.

It's crowded, traffics nasty and generally pretty dodgy all over and the fact is, it will get worse...
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 21 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was moved over from SA when I was 8 years old and I'm still reeling from the shock now!
Firstly let's make no mistake, the weather here is an absolute disgrace. Winter is long, dark, featureless and depressing. If you're a sun worshiper like me then be prepared to suffer depression for over 1/2 of the calendar year.
Don't move here in winter, it would be like taking a tropical fish and chucking it in the Thames.

Summer is great (when it's warm) as the whole country is buzzing in a state of delirious releif.

I would never choose to live in London, I couldn't imagine it. I commute from the south coast every day 2hours each way and it's worth it to get away at the end of the day. London is great to visit but it stinks, the public transport is very crowded and stressfull if you need it to get to work.
London is somewhere to work and then leave at the end of the day in my eyes.
There's some nice places to live on commuter routes, not necessarily as far as the south coast but far enough away to be able to breath freely without having to smell diesel, smoke or mcdonalds burgers.
Kent, Essex, South East - Haywards Heath, Anywhere on a main line, get a map and look at Google Earth for an idea of location. It's not far away to some nice countryside and roads in Kent.
The trains have now been updated so we're not using the rickety old cattle trucks for the main lines anymore which is a big bonus. They are also reliable enough on the whole - the tube is a different story.
I luckily don't have to get an underground tube on my journey, they are 30+degrees even in winter and quite frankly stink, the ever lingering chance of being blown up is a bit of a niggle too.
Before you settle on anyplace make sure your husband tries out the journey first in detail.
I travel a long way but some people who get on the train 20mins after me can't even get a seat for the next hour!

On the positive side, it seems to be a natural home for South Africans now, there's even shops selling all the goods from back home and even themed bars.

If you don't get along here, you can just take any money you've saved back to SA where it will be worth a small fortune!

Good luck with your move! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 23 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barry_MC21 wrote:
Commuting into London is the best option, Canary Wharf is very easy to get to. I'd suggest looking for propertys in Kent area, east of London and preferably outside of the M25.

Your best bet is to have a look at main line trains into the City and look at town's and villages alone those train lines (or close by). My train journey into the City is about 30 mins from Hertfordshire, and cost it around £170 per month.

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Thank you so much for everyone's advice - most appreciated!! Razz Thumbs Up

Is Hertfordshire a safe area? I am shocked at the amount of crime which is mentioned in a lot of posts all over the internet whilst I was surfing for available properties in London for sale. I honestly thought London must be safer than Johannesburg and this is one of the reasons for our move! We have lots of hi-jacking, armed robberies etc. over here.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 23 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

akaDAVE wrote:
On the positive side, it seems to be a natural home for South Africans now, there's even shops selling all the goods from back home and even themed bars.

Good luck with your move! Thumbs Up


Thank you for the warm wishes...I will definitely miss the sunshine (even in winter I have an all-over tan) and riding the bike almost every day of the year.
Also the rugby lifestyle & food, braaivleis, boerewors, koeksisters, rusks.. Razz

We see it as an opportunity to experience a different way of life for a few years. Travelling over to France etc. will also be a lot easier once we are in London. There are things there that I must see!

1. The Chelsea flower show (mad about plants)
2. The Louvre in Paris (mad about art)
3. GP Racing in Italy (mad about bikes)

It is very confusing trying to pick an area to live in North, South, East or West. His work will put us up in a hotel for one month initially. We will then probably rent an apartment for another month or two and visit lots of estate agents. This will give us some time to take a look for ourselves and decide. Confused

I was dissapointed to see that most of the properties on the internet are joined together (terrace or semi-detached) or on top of each other. I am used to having my own large space to live in with a tropical style garden all around my home. Also not many have double garages and off street parking. (I suppose a swimming pool would be out of the question) Laughing

I can tell this is going to take a lot of adjustment from my side !!!! Shocked
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 24 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a word of warning Iron Maiden... the UK only has two seasons july & winter.. so be prepared. Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 25 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronMaiden wrote:
Also the rugby lifestyle & food, braaivleis, boerewors, koeksisters, rusks


You can find almost all those here. And rugby too. There are "antipodean" bars dotted all over the place, and several weekly "newspapers" and outlets for colonial foodstuffs. There's often a good social life or at least contacts to things and people from home in places like the Walkabouts (pubs specialising in kiwi/aussie/SA lifestyle type stuff), I can think of at least three dotted about central London, and several other bars, often placed strategically near the embassies/consulates of the various countries.

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I was dissapointed to see that most of the properties on the internet are joined together (terrace or semi-detached) or on top of each other. I am used to having my own large space to live in with a tropical style garden all around my home. Also not many have double garages and off street parking.


*laffs*

I originally come from New Zealand and I have to admit that the joined-up-ness of British properties still freaks me out even after over 20 years. All that living on top of one another is unhealthy and, to be frank, living in this manner gives the native population a tendency to be somewhat impolite Rolling Eyes

But there ARE bungalow type properties with those sort of facilities to be found, although not generally in London itself.

Tropical style garden? Closest you'll find THAT sort of malarkey is Italy or Spain, Mrs, LOL.
(not strictly true, but the UK just doesn't have the climate to sustain a decent bougainvillea or hibiscus, they do try to grow them but they're just NOT the same)

But in general, life in London, although cramped and bleaker than you would expect at home, is fun, frantic, mad, irritating, dangerous, beautiful in its own funny way, historical, and amusing.

Enjoy it for what it is ... not what you are used to, cos it will NEVER be that.

But its a fantastic place to live if you look at it with the right mentality, and don't compare it to home too often. Just make sure you allow yourself the occasional trip home so you appreciate the beauty of what you have left behind, where you come from, and where you'd maybe like to return to eventually.

That's what I do.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 25 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

NW london house prices are over-inflated because it's generally a very nice area to live in. 3 bed semi's are about £350 K as a rough guide and renting is about £1200P/M. I used to live in Edgware, it's pretty okayish but nothing too spectacular; it was a major transport hub so accessibility was there. It sucked cos it was in Zone 5 and quite a long way away from town. My mate lives in Edgware and works in Canary wharf, takes about an hour and a half on the underground to get to canary wharf. Except it's on the opposite end of the underground to stratford.

Generally, east london is a shithole. Lived in East Ham and Plaistow when i was a todd, but over there, you can expect a living environment similar to bangladesh or pakistan. I remember doing a study for my A level geography stating that that area has lowest white minority in the whole of london.

Also, stay away from Basildon, Essex!

Herts is pretty safe. St Alban's, Hemel Hempstead - but they're all boring towns and quite a way away from your work.
But with the olympics coming up, any property there will be a good investment as the whole area is being done up. Stratford now looks up-market, compared to that shithole of a place i once knew when you'd get pigeons in the shopping centre. Stratford is only 4 stations away from Canary wharf on the Jubilee line, or a few more stops on the DLR.

The kent suburban towns are good too; Sevenoaks for example is only a half an hour journey into town. And it's also on the right side of canary wharf.

If you want a larger house, go to the north/nw london as following the war, planned expansion of london meant that adequate semi-detatched housing spawned throughout. S London is a bit more victorian with their offerings but never turn down a swanky refubed 2up-2down terrace.

Hope this helps and i hope i didn't ramble on.

God i miss London.
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PostPosted: 02:56 - 26 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear me Up North isnt that bad, Im orginally from Salford and now live in 3 bedroomed 3 bathroomed, double garaged big gardened house In Bolton worth £280 k

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PostPosted: 10:57 - 26 Mar 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but unless you have a good ear, anybody that's emigrated into the UK from abroad will find the nothern, accent tad hard and difficult to understand. Not to say that it's a bad thing, i've started to pronounce things the northern way when i say words with a and o in it Shocked And i'm NOT too far north.

To be honest, London is hyped up. It's the 2nd most expensive city to live in, but you do have the benefit of saying, hey i live in London, it kicks arse. Wouldn't have the same effect if you were like, hey i live in Windemere so suck on that Razz

The North in my opinion is underrated and if you're willing to overlook the stereotypes, it's not really a bad place. You may get the stares cos i'm oriental, but you'd fit in after a while.
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