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 Posted: 11:30 - 17 Sep 2008 Post subject: legal advice?being summoned to court...*update* |
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I sold a car last year on the 2-7-2007 and have recieved a few fines for not notifying them of a change of keeper.
I sent the log book away at the time but there saying they didn't recieve it.
It states on the back of the log book that if you dont recieve a confirmation letter saying they recieved it your supposed to get in touch with them,which i didn't do.Tbh i just sent it away and as far as i was concerned that was the end of it.
Well anyway,i have just recieved a summons to court for it on the 14th of next month.
Has anyone had anything like this before that can advise me on what to do now? or should i go see a solicitor.
Thing is,i have no proof i sent it,and as far as their concerned i'm in the wrong for not letting them know i didn't recieve the confirmation letter.
I have given them the blokes name and adress that i sold the car to,but this does'nt seem to make a difference.
I've booked an apointment with a solicitor now anyway for the 24th of this month,but i'd still appreciate any opinions on what i can do?
Thanks
Dave
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i'm aware this is a bike forum,but i thought i'd ask anyway.Worth a try? ____________________ DRZ-400sm
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 Posted: 11:48 - 17 Sep 2008 Post subject: Re: legal advice?being summoned to court... |
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| justmetoo125 wrote: | I sold a car last year on the 2-7-2007 and have recieved a few fines for not notifying them of a change of keeper.
I sent the log book away at the time but there saying they didn't recieve it.
It states on the back of the log book that if you dont recieve a confirmation letter saying they recieved it your supposed to get in touch with them,which i didn't do.Tbh i just sent it away and as far as i was concerned that was the end of it.
Well anyway,i have just recieved a summons to court for it on the 14th of next month.
Has anyone had anything like this before that can advise me on what to do now? or should i go see a solicitor.
Thing is,i have no proof i sent it,and as far as their concerned i'm in the wrong for not letting them know i didn't recieve the confirmation letter.
I have given them the blokes name and adress that i sold the car to,but this does'nt seem to make a difference.
I've booked an apointment with a solicitor now anyway for the 24th of this month,but i'd still appreciate any opinions on what i can do?
Thanks
Dave
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i'm aware this is a bike forum,but i thought i'd ask anyway.Worth a try? |
Been through this before, although with me i wrote to them again with a strongly worded letter saying the bike has changed keepers and this is his address etc. And they sent a confirmation of them recieving this letter and they will update their records, yet a month later i got a court summons.
Went to court, explained this in court and she decided that the DVLA was wasting both our times.
The DVLA are useless, go to court explain your piece, you'll be in and out withing 5 mins. ____________________ JACK, MISS YOU LOADS YOU LEGEND. |
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This, boys & girls, is why you always send stuff to the DVLA via special delivery. Gets there next day and you have a digital copy of the signature of whoever signed for it.
I've just sent off my licence to get a C1 & D1 provisional categories added.
I've taken photocopies of;
both sides of my plastic licence
the front of my paper counterpart licence
full copy of the medical form
If it comes back with anything missing, they will have to get it sorted as I have proof it was posted and of what was written! ____________________ Like a Yorkie - I'm not for the girls  |
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| sickpup wrote: | I would ask them how exactly they are refuting service under section 7 of the 1978 interpretations act. Are they claiming non delivery or are they claiming to have lost your mail while under their care. |
Their claiming they never recieved the document from me.
| sickpup wrote: | I would also question how exactly they are prosecuting you for failure to notify them when if you failed to notify them they wouldn't know about it. |
It was because the car had been caught by a speed camera.
When i recieved the fixed penalty and told them the details of the bloke i sold it to,they then told me i would be fined for not telling them about the change of keeper.
I pretty much told them to fuck right off,which has led to this.
| sickpup wrote: | Also in the court papers who does it refer to you against as there could be a question under the 1861 Provity rule as depending on who is taking you to court they may not be part of the contract. |
This is what it says on the first page.
You are summoned to appear at 14:15hrs on 14/10/08 at city of newcastle magistrates court to answer upon the information that on the 07/02/2008 at *my adress* following the change of keeper of a mechanically propelled vehicle *registration*,you being the keeper of the said vehicle,failed to notify the secretary of the state,forthwith,in writing as required by regulations 22 to 24 of the road vehicle (registration and licensing) regulations 2002 and section 59(1) of the vehicle excise and registration act 1994.
statement of facts
On the 07/02/2008 the defendant having previously kept motor vehicle *registration*,failed on the change of keeper of the vehicle,to notify the secretary of state,forthwith,as required by the regulations.
It has a few pages which is basicly asking me if i want to plead guilty or not. ____________________ DRZ-400sm |
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Thanks for the reply's
Sickpup.I'll give that info to the solicitor when i see him,hopefully it should be quite usefull to him
Thanks again everyone  ____________________ DRZ-400sm |
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Well i spoke to the solicitor today.
He basicly said it's a hit and miss thing where depending on the day i may or may not get off with it
I told him about the above interpretations act and he pretty much dismissed it straight away  just kept changing the subject immediatly.
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I bet he did. I do wonder if sny one within the legal profession actually understand the act
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I mentioned it again, and again he didn't really want to know saying that it's no help since the log book states that i must contact dvla if i dont recieve a comfirmation letter..
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Pretty irrelevant unless the LAW states you must contact. I love the way people try to make legal policy more important than the law.
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He spent more time gettting the paperwork sorted for the legal aid(to pay for the short 10 min consultation) than explaining anything to me!
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Nice to know he always thinks about the bottom line.
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Then he told me i have no chance of getting legal aid paying him to defend me in court  .(because it's not a jailable offence)
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He got that right at least.
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Hes gonna contact the dvla/court about this and he reckons with a bit of luck they may cancel the charges,since they rely on people just going in to court and accepting the fine!
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Would love to know on what grounds but then i think you would as well.
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Think i might try a different solicitor...
Just thought i'd let you know how i got on anyway
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I would. A solicitor that can actually explain something is like gold dust. |
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Just a little update to let you know the charges have been dropped
Thanks for all the advice (sickpup )
Thankfully,no vaseline will be needed after all  ____________________ DRZ-400sm
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 219 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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